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 Post subject: Engine Failure in flight, night and IMC
PostPosted: 21 Sep 2018, 11:13 
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Well I survived an engine failure today.

421B Night IMC OVC ~500ft in cruise at 12000ft, 9 mins after take-off. Right engine starter adapter failed (750 hours on starter) 1500 SMOH on engine.

After the initial disbelief it was a non-event.I will post more details later.

Glad I was in a twin and have gone to Simcom for the last three years in a row.

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Edited for post-adrenaline spelling errors :)


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 Post subject: Re: Engine Failure in Flight, night IMC
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Glad it worked out.

Can you elaborate on the failure mode? I’m familiar with a starter adaptor failing and not turning the engine over, but what fails in flight that would kill the engine?


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Nice job getting back safely. I hope your engine is cheaper than mine was (C340).

Did you declare an emergency?
Single engine approach?
Family aboard?

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Good on you Hilgard!

Too bad you have that inefficient, statistically worthless second engine. Must cost you so much money and provides no value.

In all seriouslness - Really good on you for investing in the most important safety feature of any aircraft: A well trained pilot!


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Night, IMC, proficient twin driver at the controls of a twin engined bird.......

A perfectly expectable outcome :clap: :clap:

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Great job! Reminds me to IRAN mine at 500 hrs.

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Nice job getting back safely. I hope your engine is cheaper than mine was (C340).

Did you declare an emergency?
Single engine approach?
Family aboard?


Took of around 6am this morning on my milk run to a nearby hospital, a flight I make twice a week. Routine flight, getting to be a little boring as I do it so often. Was not thinking emergency today, not even close.

9 minutes into the flight right engine quits, abruptly. No warning or anything abnormal of the engine monitor. After the disbelief was over, and believe me it disappears quick as you have a lot of yaw to deal with when a 421's prop windmills. I feathered the engine and started working on getting back to 12000ft - think I lost about 4-500 ft during this time.
Yes declared an emergency. First contact was with ATC within about ?30-60 seconds when they saw I was turning to the right side. Had to tell him twice to standby as I was flying the plane, running the checklist and getting my iPad with Foreflight back on the side window. (The suction cup on the Ram Mount for the iPad decided to come loose about two minutes into the engine failure, actually I probably I pushed a little hard on it while I was looking up weather nearby)
Asked for a vector to fly to CYEG (Edmonton International with 10000ft runway), controller tells me to turn right heading 155 - NO THANKS!
Single engine approach in poor weather, I will look up the metar, however vis was probably 1-2sm and likely OVC 3-500 ft, I can not really remember the ceiling height and vis as I was focused on IAS and staying on the glide slope.

Just me on board.

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The starter adapter on the GTSIO is an entirely different animal. It incorporates a viscous damper to keep crankshaft harmonics in check. When the viscous damper fails to do its job, the gears that drive the magnetos can be ruined, or the engine can grenade from vibration.

The attached pic shows destroyed gears associated with a starter adapter failure.

I love the GTSIO, but the starter adapters require care and scrutiny.


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The started adapter on the 421 engine is a known failure mode, looks like that is what happened and I will need a teardown. Engine was 50 hours from TBO so I guess I cannot complain to much.

The second third picture is the drive shaft for the magneto's (don't know if that is the correct name) this is linked to the starter, it actually got pushed out of the engine case, braking of the bolts that holds it.

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Good on you Hilgard!

Too bad you have that inefficient, statistically worthless second engine. Must cost you so much money and provides no value.

In all seriouslness - Really good on you for investing in the most important safety feature of any aircraft: A well trained pilot!


Great job! Of course you know the single would have had the other engine that kept running ;-)

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Sorry it happened, but glad you handled it well. Thanks for letting us know.

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Great job. :clap: That’s what we train for.

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Very glad to read about this in ‘Brand X’ rather than in ‘Crash Talk’ — congrats!


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