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Any BAE-146 pilots here? Just curious. They look like miniature 747´s. What was their intended purpose? (short haul, mountains etc)

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Never flown one, but used to work some. Had the climb performance of a loaded DC-6 on a hot day. So little, it was the only jet I worked that I regularly had to make a point out to GRK approach since it often would not reach 13,000' before leaving our airspace.

Somebody once told me it was powered by four APUs and a hair dryer.


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Never flown one, but used to work some. Had the climb performance of a loaded DC-6 on a hot day. So little, it was the only jet I worked that I regularly had to make a point out to GRK approach since it often would not reach 13,000' before leaving our airspace.

Somebody once told me it was powered by four APUs and a hair dryer.


LOL You beat me to it. I once heard a British guy refer to it as the only aircraft in the world with five APU's! The Queen flew in it quite a lot but it's been removed from the Queen's Flight replaced by what I don't know.


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Never flown one, but used to work some. Had the climb performance of a loaded DC-6 on a hot day. So little, it was the only jet I worked that I regularly had to make a point out to GRK approach since it often would not reach 13,000' before leaving our airspace.
For a while, someone was flying them between TUL and ORD. Those were the only jets we weren’t required to space for ORD. We just left them in the slow lane and let Chicago Center sort it out later.


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I've heard they were unreliable. I was told BAE stands for "Bring Another Engine."

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What was their intended purpose?


STOL

Their all-engine performance was miserable but their one engine out performance was splendid. Flew into london city airport a lot. Druk Air used to operate them into Bhutan - got to fly one there :D :D :D


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Their all-engine performance was miserable but their one engine out performance was splendid. Flew into london city airport a lot. Druk Air used to operate them into Bhutan - got to fly one there :D :D :D


And it needed it badly. I have more engine out time in that aircraft than I do in piston twins. Twice as a passenger in Europe it lost an engine.

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Any BAE-146 pilots here? Just curious. They look like miniature 747´s. What was their intended purpose? (short haul, mountains etc)

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747 is low wing. I’d say it looks a little like a C-5 that was pulled green. :bud:

They are being used now as fire bombers.


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What do you expect? It has Lycoming engines. :shrug:

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It's interesting that the BAE-146 is being discussed.

Just yesterday, I listened to a podcast about Neptune Aviation in Montana. They recently switched the the BAC-146 as their primary fire tanker.

It sounds like they're working out very well in that role.


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Ok. Mini C5. Jeje.

Thanks for your replies. I must admit the replies took me by surprise. The airframe looks stout and with 4 engines I would have figured it was a little rocket ship, suitable for mountain airports.

Thanks all for sharing.

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It's interesting that the BAE-146 is being discussed.

Just yesterday, I listened to a podcast about Neptune Aviation in Montana. They recently switched the the BAC-146 as their primary fire tanker.

It sounds like they're working out very well in that role.


Yes, they have a bunch of them up here. A couple of years ago they gave a talk about the planes. Said they were trying to get different engines as the originals are such turds.


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Detroit STARs have some oddball speed and altitude restrictions that are legacies from the BAE 146 era.

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There’s a family out of Fort Worth that flys one. They bought it to go in and out of Aspen. We used to run into their crew a lot.


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Ok. Mini C5. Jeje.

Thanks for your replies. I must admit the replies took me by surprise. The airframe looks stout and with 4 engines I would have figured it was a little rocket ship, suitable for mountain airports.

Thanks all for sharing.

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Patrick


Hhmmm.......I used to see them operating in and out of Aspen frequently during the warm summer months. Always thought that it was because the BAE-146 could meet second segment climb restrictions. Was I mistaken? :scratch:


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