BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Aug 2018, 18:56

I am curious to get feedback from someone who has operated all three or two of the three citation models that can compare them. Typical trip is 600-700nm with 4-6 passengers and occasionally 1200nm with four. I’d like to hear what you liked or disliked about each and if the increased hourly cost for the ultra is worth it.

Thanks,
Steve

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Aug 2018, 20:11

Username Protected wrote:

I am curious to get feedback from someone who has operated all three or two of the three citation models that can compare them. Typical trip is 600-700nm with 4-6 passengers and occasionally 1200nm with four. I’d like to hear what you liked or disliked about each and if the increased hourly cost for the ultra is worth it.

Thanks,
Steve

Why not a CII? 550. Comparatively short trip. At lot less expensive.

I wouldn’t touch a bravo. Engines are crazy expensive. V is great because you can install Garmin glass. Ultra is nice too but Avionics are old.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Aug 2018, 20:36

I have about 1200hrs in a 550 and it's pretty hard to beat. Easy to fly and never a dispatch issue, but would always like to climb a little higher in the summers and faster.

Steve

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Aug 2018, 20:37

What Mark said about the Bravo. An overhaul is worth way more than the airplane. V Ultra is a nice ride. Not sure about avionics upgrades, though. If you have the money the Encore is what you want, but its way overkill for your trip. Heck, if you have the money a CJ3 cannot be beat. That's the sweet spot.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Sep 2018, 17:54

Thanks for the info. Prefer something that does not have to be on an engine program. I realize the bravo is expensive to overhaul, but don’t think it’s as bad as an encore or CJ series.

Thanks,
Steve

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Sep 2018, 17:56

A straight V or an SII would be on the top of my list.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Sep 2018, 19:35

Username Protected wrote:

Thanks for the info. Prefer something that does not have to be on an engine program. I realize the bravo is expensive to overhaul, but don’t think it’s as bad as an encore or CJ series.

Thanks,
Steve

800k-1m a piece.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Sep 2018, 19:36

Username Protected wrote:

A straight V or an SII would be on the top of my list.

Weeping wing on the SII. No thanks.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Sep 2018, 20:31

The Ultra is a heck of a plane. But what about ADSB?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Sep 2018, 20:34

Username Protected wrote:

The Ultra is a heck of a plane. But what about ADSB?

I’m sure there will be a solution...not to exceed a quarter million dollars :tape:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Sep 2018, 20:38

Garmin solution. $50k ?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Sep 2018, 21:33

Username Protected wrote:

Garmin solution. $50k ?

Around 100K with all the bells and whistles. Straight Encore has basically the same avionics as the Ultra, Primus 1000. Encore+ has Collns Proline 21.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Sep 2018, 22:01

I did the JetTech Garmin solution on the Ultra. 2 750s, 1 345, 1 335 I think, audio panel all remoted. FS 510, GDL69A, Mid Cont SAM, Shadin Fuel flows displayed on 750s.All new instrument panels etc. 110k ish.

Robert

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Sep 2018, 22:36

Username Protected wrote:

I did the JetTech Garmin solution on the Ultra. 2 750s, 1 345, 1 335 I think, audio panel all remoted. FS 510, GDL69A, Mid Cont SAM, Shadin Fuel flows displayed on 750s.All new instrument panels etc. 110k ish.

Robert

Ya. I think straight ADSB is a lot less last time I checked.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Sep 2018, 23:06

Username Protected wrote:

I did the JetTech Garmin solution on the Ultra. 2 750s, 1 345, 1 335 I think, audio panel all remoted. FS 510, GDL69A, Mid Cont SAM, Shadin Fuel flows displayed on 750s.All new instrument panels etc. 110k ish.

Robert

Ya. I think straight ADSB is a lot less last time I checked.

Citation Ultra, V and Bravo