BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Sep 2018, 01:58

Hilgard...well done. I have nothing to add to your post and certainly am not questioning your decision to land at YEG. You did what you thought best and it worked. Certainly most of my training assumes one will land at the nearest appropriate airport. However wx was close to minimums. Should you have had to miss it might have taxed your abilities.

I wonder about continuing to your destination which I believe you said was VFR. You had an engine failure which was successfully feathered, had no reason to believe there could be a problem with the other engine. Would have involved say 40 minutes flying single engine.

What is the group's opinion? Is it a good idea to fly say 30-40 min single engine to better weather?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Sep 2018, 03:57

Username Protected wrote:

Hilgard...well done. I have nothing to add to your post and certainly am not questioning your decision to land at YEG. You did what you thought best and it worked. Certainly most of my training assumes one will land at the nearest appropriate airport. However wx was close to minimums. Should you have had to miss it might have taxed your abilities.

I wonder about continuing to your destination which I believe you said was VFR. You had an engine failure which was successfully feathered, had no reason to believe there could be a problem with the other engine. Would have involved say 40 minutes flying single engine.

What is the group's opinion? Is it a good idea to fly say 30-40 min single engine to better weather?

Sort of a toss up in my mind. 10,000’ strip is inviting.

I just want to say that Michael brings up a solid point that all of us twin piston drivers have to deal with. And that is, if you aren’t on your A game, proficient, up on your training, and current, these things definitely can bite you. And big time. They really aren’t for the weekend warrior stuff. Making a OEI to 3-400’ ILS should be a cake walk.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Sep 2018, 09:06

Great job. Glad you are ok

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Sep 2018, 11:32

Most twin crashes are for reasons “other” than losing and engine on TO. There is nothing better than two well maintained engines on a twin.

It’s all the “other systems “ on a “OLD complex pressurized twin”Turbine or Piston that are likely to cause a problem,including the pilot.

Are you safer in Twin Pistons VS Twin Turbines?

It all depends on a lot of variables like “condition” and “age” of the aircraft and level of pilot skill for that plane.

Congratulations to Hilgard on a successful outcome.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Sep 2018, 11:50

Late to this thread, but happy to hear of your successful outcome Hilgard.

With no ILS in Red Deer, for sure I’d pick Edmonton.

I’m sure you’ve practiced there before, as have I.

It’s ILS’s and looong runways are great.

Murray

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Sep 2018, 11:59

Stupid question time:

Did you turn off the runway ok?

Did you taxi on one? If so, how was it?

Did they send a tug out for you?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Sep 2018, 12:04

Username Protected wrote:

I found the LiveATC from the engine out. If anyone has 15 minutes to waste the conversation starts at 6:30

Few observations:

-He did not hear me declare an emergency the first time, I said " I will declare...." Could have been clearer on that.
-Initially I decided to continue to destination (CYUZ) as there is a 6000ft runway, weather was VMC, fair maintenance. I was concerned about flying another 100miles on one engine as there were two other options nearby, albeit with IMC. At ~30 and 50 miles from me.
-Next decided to go to Red Deer (CYQF) - 8500ft runway with 700 ceilings, good maintenance. -Few minutes later another controller (I assume the supervisor) came on freq and advised that the weather in Red Deer is declining, but still above mins. Temp=dew point
-I then decided to head to Edmonton International (CYEG) 10 000ft, good maintenance, weather a little better than Red Deer. Although I recall only breaking out around 3-400 feet.

In all I am happy with my performance, don't sound to stressed which i think is the biggest factor in any emergency, if you panic you cannot think straight.

Any critique from others, what would you have done different?

Hilgard

Edit for spelling

The LiveATC link is now bad.

Also the initial destination was CYZU.

Cheers

Murray

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Sep 2018, 14:21

Hilgard, after you feathered the dead engine and trimmed the aircraft did you fly it on a/p or hand fly?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Sep 2018, 15:32

Username Protected wrote:

Hilgard, after you feathered the dead engine and trimmed the aircraft did you fly it on a/p or hand fly?

I disengaged the autopilot initially as it would not maintain heading, also I wanted control. Then for the first 5 minutes or so I hand flew, then cautiously turned on the autopilot and it actually flew well.

I turned of the autopilot(Stec 55) for the approach, I was not sure if it would maintain heading and glide-slope and I did NOT want to get low or slow. Thanks to Mike C I started hand flying all approaches about 18months ago, so it was sort of second nature to just do that.

Hilgard

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Sep 2018, 15:38

Username Protected wrote:

The LiveATC link is now bad.

Also the initial destination was CYZU.

Cheers

Murray

Yes that's weird, it was on there yesterday but now it seems it is a different frequency...

You are correct destination was CYZU.

Hilgard

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Sep 2018, 18:14

Great job, Hilgard!

RM

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Sep 2018, 15:01

Username Protected wrote:

Stupid question time:

Did you turn off the runway ok?

Did you taxi on one? If so, how was it?

Did they send a tug out for you?

Definitely not a stupid question. It takes some training and forethought to keep the single engine ground operation speed fast enough to permit turning and taxiing. Get too slow and it's tug time.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Sep 2018, 15:43

Username Protected wrote:

Stupid question time:

Did you turn off the runway ok?

Did you taxi on one? If so, how was it?

Did they send a tug out for you?

Turned of the runway ok as I stil had momentum, but as soon as I slowed down it was very hard to taxi, also it was wet and rainy so it felt like the nose wheel was slipping.

Asked for a tug but eventually got it moving again after doing a 270 degree turn first.

Hilgard