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Post subject: Re: My New (to me) Cessna 182M Posted: 03 Mar 2019, 23:25 |
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Joined: 11/09/09 Posts: 3182 Post Likes: +4072 Location: KHII & KREI
Aircraft: RV6A, C182M
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Username Protected wrote: Dave you will love that Stec 30 w/ alt hold, I flew one several years and could not have been more satisfied, bullet proof, lose your vacum pump, just engage autopilot in nav mode. It can lock on the ILS and once you get your power settings worked, track the glideslope is no problem and if you should be fortunate enough to have a wass GPS and GPSS unit the Stec 30 will do all the tricks. I have an STec 30, it does not fly the glide slope.
I think he meant to adjust the power setting so that the airplane would descend on the glide slope but not actually couple it in that axis.
Dave
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Post subject: Re: My New (to me) Cessna 182M Posted: 03 Mar 2019, 23:28 |
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Joined: 11/09/09 Posts: 3182 Post Likes: +4072 Location: KHII & KREI
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Username Protected wrote: Please let us know how the VGs perform.
I have a 182K with the Horton STOL kit and want to add VGs. They sound well worth the investment, but would be good to hear first hand.
Thanks, KJ Looks like I'm going to have to wait until next weekend for the test flight. Got a bad head cold and my head feels like it's going to burst. Dave
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Post subject: Re: My New (to me) Cessna 182M Posted: 04 Mar 2019, 01:10 |
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Joined: 10/30/10 Posts: 1695 Post Likes: +826 Company: Ten Bits Ranch Location: Terlingua, TX
Aircraft: H35, F90, C205, C182
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Username Protected wrote: Please let us know how the VGs perform.
I have a 182K with the Horton STOL kit and want to add VGs. They sound well worth the investment, but would be good to hear first hand.
Thanks, KJ Looks like I'm going to have to wait until next weekend for the test flight. Got a bad head cold and my head feels like it's going to burst. Dave
No rush, we are doing an annual and then installing a BRS chute so the VGs are 3rd on the list.
Hope that you feel better. Had to fly home a few times with a bad cold...totally miserable experience, good to avoid.
KJ
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Post subject: Re: My New (to me) Cessna 182M Posted: 04 Mar 2019, 12:20 |
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Joined: 10/30/10 Posts: 1695 Post Likes: +826 Company: Ten Bits Ranch Location: Terlingua, TX
Aircraft: H35, F90, C205, C182
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Username Protected wrote: Keith, are you putting the BRS chute on the 182? Yes, long and very stupid story on my part... I bought (2) 182s (T182T & 182K) to start a flying club where I learned to fly in Ohio. I planned on outfitting them both with BRS chutes, so we ordered them. A few months later, because of my remote management from Texas, the flying club became a total PIA, so I ended it. It was a real disappointment. The chute is in the T182T, the 182K is waiting to get it done. The 182K is the one that I plan to install VGs. I planned to post some photos and info when both were completely done. I will also be listing the T182T for sale. I am going to keep the 182K and fly it to TX to use to land on unimproved runways. That is why the VG project is interesting to me Thanks, KJ
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Post subject: Re: My New (to me) Cessna 182M Posted: 04 Mar 2019, 15:29 |
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Joined: 03/03/12 Posts: 391 Post Likes: +123 Company: PFTS Precision Alignment Location: Winnipeg, MB - Haines City FL
Aircraft: C182 C172 PA11
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Username Protected wrote: Keith, are you putting the BRS chute on the 182? Yes, long and very stupid story on my part... I bought (2) 182s (T182T & 182K) to start a flying club where I learned to fly in Ohio. I planned on outfitting them both with BRS chutes, so we ordered them. A few months later, because of my remote management from Texas, the flying club became a total PIA, so I ended it. It was a real disappointment. The chute is in the T182T, the 182K is waiting to get it done. The 182K is the one that I plan to install VGs. I planned to post some photos and info when both were completely done. I will also be listing the T182T for sale. I am going to keep the 182K and fly it to TX to use to land on unimproved runways. That is why the VG project is interesting to me Thanks, KJ
What is the risk to the back seat occupants when the chute is deployed? Not sure if I would want to have a rocket go off within 18” of my head...however that maybe the better choice considering that there is a reason you’re deploying the chute.
Doug
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Post subject: Re: My New (to me) Cessna 182M Posted: 04 Mar 2019, 20:12 |
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Joined: 10/30/10 Posts: 1695 Post Likes: +826 Company: Ten Bits Ranch Location: Terlingua, TX
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Username Protected wrote: I don't want to hijack this thread, Keith.
I'd love it if you would start a fresh thread about the BRS in the 182. I agree, this is already a great thread...don’t want to mess it up. I found very little info on the 182 chute Install when a I was searching so I planned to add my info to BT. When I have some better photos and details, I will start a new thread. It will be a little time...both 182s are 1280nm away from me now. I have not even seen the install myself yet. KJ
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Post subject: Re: My New (to me) Cessna 182M Posted: 09 Mar 2019, 16:33 |
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Joined: 11/09/09 Posts: 3182 Post Likes: +4072 Location: KHII & KREI
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PIREP: HOLY CRAP! I'm stunned at how slow the 182 will fly with the sportsman STOL and the vortex generators and still have control authority. I didn't get a chance to do a lot as the ceiling was not that high but it will fly at 40 mph with no flaps and still has aileron and rudder authority. With 30 degrees of flaps the controllable airspeed dips below 40 to what I would estimate to be about 35 mph. Top cruising speed didn't seem to suffer and if anything I think It's a tad faster but will need some more testing to be sure. So far I'm thrilled with the VG'S. Dave [youtube]https://youtu.be/N44a1x4b-jQ[/youtube]
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Post subject: Re: My New (to me) Cessna 182M Posted: 11 Mar 2019, 11:18 |
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Joined: 09/23/09 Posts: 11873 Post Likes: +10527 Location: Cascade, Idaho (U70)
Aircraft: 182
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Dave, (and Tom and Brad and........) There is an interesting thread over on backcountrypilot.org on elevator authority in Cessna 182s that might offer some things to think about with the very low speeds we hope to achieve with our Sportsman/VG combos. Not that I've had any trouble at all with elevator authority but....... A relatively new 182 guy was asking how to improve elevator authority and several techniques were discussed including: 1. weight in back (obvious but who wants too) 2. pulling back that extra 1-2 inches on flare that nobody seems to actually do. (true) 3. carrying a little power 4. rolling the trim FORWARD on final. Interesting. Since I'm generally trimmed back to the stop on short final to relieve stick pressure, I may do a little experimentation with this for grins. https://backcountrypilot.org/community/ ... rity-22904Hoping to pick up the plane on Friday/Saturday Mike
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Post subject: Re: My New (to me) Cessna 182M Posted: 11 Mar 2019, 11:56 |
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Username Protected wrote: 4. rolling the trim FORWARD on final.
Interesting. Since I'm generally trimmed back to the stop on short final to relieve stick pressure, I may do a little experimentation with this for grins.
I just got to looking at that thread. I have heard that technique for years. But, don't you have to have a trim tab for that to work? That would mean 62 and newer 182's. Older ones don't have one, the whole stab is trimmed.
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Post subject: Re: My New (to me) Cessna 182M Posted: 11 Mar 2019, 12:20 |
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Joined: 09/23/09 Posts: 11873 Post Likes: +10527 Location: Cascade, Idaho (U70)
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Username Protected wrote: 4. rolling the trim FORWARD on final.
Interesting. Since I'm generally trimmed back to the stop on short final to relieve stick pressure, I may do a little experimentation with this for grins.
I just got to looking at that thread. I have heard that technique for years. But, don't you have to have a trim tab for that to work? That would mean 62 and newer 182's. Older ones don't have one, the whole stab is trimmed.
Well, you'd have a significant point there wouldn't you?
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Post subject: Re: My New (to me) Cessna 182M Posted: 11 Mar 2019, 12:47 |
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Joined: 11/09/09 Posts: 3182 Post Likes: +4072 Location: KHII & KREI
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Username Protected wrote: Dave, (and Tom and Brad and........) There is an interesting thread over on backcountrypilot.org on elevator authority in Cessna 182s that might offer some things to think about with the very low speeds we hope to achieve with our Sportsman/VG combos. Not that I've had any trouble at all with elevator authority but....... A relatively new 182 guy was asking how to improve elevator authority and several techniques were discussed including: 1. weight in back (obvious but who wants too) 2. pulling back that extra 1-2 inches on flare that nobody seems to actually do. (true) 3. carrying a little power 4. rolling the trim FORWARD on final. Interesting. Since I'm generally trimmed back to the stop on short final to relieve stick pressure, I may do a little experimentation with this for grins. https://backcountrypilot.org/community/ ... rity-22904Hoping to pick up the plane on Friday/Saturday Mike Yesterday I did a little more test flying and was doing some slow approaches. On one approach I got a little too slow down near the runway and could feel a pretty good sink rate starting. I pulled back on the yoke and the elevator responded nicely as it went into ground effect and it all worked out. I'll try the forward trim deal next time to see what it's all about but on the surface it sounds like the wrong thing to do. Dave
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