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 Post subject: Re: My New (to me) Cessna 182M
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Nice photos, Dave. I am sure that you'll have many wonderful and memorable hours in your Skylane!

I have the same autopilot, I think. A Stec-30? I have enjoyed mine for 15 years or more.

If your plane doesn't have an external switch to select modes for the AP, I strongly suggest that you consider getting one installed. Mine has a switch on the pilot's control wheel that has PTT, mode select, altitude hold and disconnect. Works great for me. The story I've heard is that the mode select that is a part of the instrument itself is .. well ... fragile. And costly to replace.

I had the same feelings that you expressed after my first 8 hour cross country. "Why have I not done this earlier?"


I had to replace that part on my STEC-30. I think it cost about 450 bucks and the part was a flimsy piece of plastic. I agree being able to control the autopilot modes from the yoke is the way to go.


No way that little plastic universal joint is custom made for STEC. It has to be sourced from somewhere (looks like either a electric car toy manufacturer or maybe R/C aircraft part) and can probably be had for $1 plus shipping from some supply shop. For $450, I'd get it machined from metal.

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 Post subject: Re: My New (to me) Cessna 182M
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Back in an earlier century, around 1965, I worked as a line boy at CDW Caldwell, now Essex County. The company I worked for paid 60 bucks a week salary, and 1/2 off on any rental aircraft. I think a 150 cost me around 7 dollars/hour wet. Then they got a new 182 Skylane… it rented for 32 dollars an hour, and I could get it for 16 wet!!
I didn't fly it much, but for this (then) 150 pound 17 year old I had what felt like an Airliner. I can still remember the feeling..... :pilot:

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 Post subject: Re: My New (to me) Cessna 182M
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Got the switches on the yoke like you mentioned except they didn't put in an external mode switch.[/quote]

The mode switch is the one that fails. I recommend that you talk with your avionics shop about having a remote mode switch installed. As a few others have also mentioned, the factory switch is fragile and costly to replace.


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 Post subject: Re: My New (to me) Cessna 182M
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Dave I flew a 182 for the first time this weekend and have to agree with you. If I didn't have and love the Bonanza I'd look really hard at one of these.
You sure have to have different landing procedures though.


182's are generally nose heavy in landing, and especially so with a 3 blade prop like mine, '75 182P. I've experimented with different configuration at different weights. With one or two people up front I use 10 degrees of flaps, crossing the threshold at 75 MPH then bleeding off the power in the flare for a nice nose high attitude, lowering the nose wheel after main wheel touch down with a lot of elevator authority. With two up front and one in the back I use flaps 20; with four onboard flaps 40.

There are 1 pound and 4 pound tail bulkhead weights that can be installed in combination to alleviate some the nose heavy condition, I plan to install them.

The 4 pound weight is part number 2201090-2, $167.46, and the 1 pound weight is part number 2201090-1, $54.14 from Ying Ling.


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 Post subject: Re: My New (to me) Cessna 182M
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I’ve got a 75P, with 550 and three blade( hopefully it’ll come back from the shop someday). I also retain a partnership in a sweet(as in a dry country)64 182G with a two blade 470R. I’ve found nose trim on the 75P much less critical than the G, especially at altitude. I think 1965 added 11-13” to the horizontal stabilizer. How much nose trim? All of it on the G, maybe 1/2 on the P. It really is noticeable.

Dave, for a little dirt, I’d suggest Fry Canyon. UT74. Land/take off north of the bisecting 2 track. It a favorite winter spot of mine. I quick hike gets you to an overview of cliff dwellings(probably a grainery).

I keep a survival pack and bucket-o-tools behind the rear seat of both. Maybe 40#.


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I’ve got a 75P, with 550 and three blade( hopefully it’ll come back from the shop someday). I also retain a partnership in a sweet(as in a dry country)64 182G with a two blade 470R. I’ve found nose trim on the 75P much less critical than the G, especially at altitude. I think 1965 added 11-13” to the horizontal stabilizer. How much nose trim? All of it on the G, maybe 1/2 on the P. It really is noticeable.

Dave, for a little dirt, I’d suggest Fry Canyon. UT74. Land/take off north of the bisecting 2 track. It a favorite winter spot of mine. I quick hike gets you to an overview of cliff dwellings(probably a grainery).

I keep a survival pack and bucket-o-tools behind the rear seat of both. Maybe 40#.



That's interesting Eric. When I have full fuel (long range tanks) and only the front seats occupied, it's takes full nose up trim and partial flaps to keep the nose wheel from dropping quickly after main wheel touch down. My seat is always full forward to the limit. When I get to the hangar to get my weight and balance info we'll compare CG's. I'm probably at the forward limit (or over) at the weights I fly at. With 4 seats filled, it's takes maybe 1/2 nose up trim for neutral stick force on touch down.


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The 182P has a sportsman stol. Had could add some forward positioning of lift, I suppose. I did Young Eagles yesterday AM and a bunch night t/o landings last night in the 182G...fortunately no go around. That’s where full nose up trim needs some fast cranking!


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The 182P has a sportsman stol. Had could add some forward positioning of lift, I suppose. I did Young Eagles yesterday AM and a bunch night t/o landings last night in the 182G...fortunately no go around. That’s where full nose up trim needs some fast cranking!


Yes, the GA with full nose up trim can be a hand full with the pitch up, but it's not as bad with flaps 10 or 20 as it is from full flaps.

With only a 3 knot difference in stall speed between flaps 20 and flaps 40, the use for 40 flaps to me is for a steeper approach if required.


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I'm confused. Do I need some weight in the back of the 182 when I'm full tanks and it's only the wife and I?

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I'm confused. Do I need some weight in the back of the 182 when I'm full tanks and it's only the wife and I?

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No. You have an M model so it has the big tail. I had one of those as well as the current small tail 182A. No issues with two up front, full tanks and full flaps. Plenty of elevator.

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I'm confused. Do I need some weight in the back of the 182 when I'm full tanks and it's only the wife and I?

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Dave,

I too have an M model. In the setting you propose, water in the back greatly lessens the need for trim/how much trim is needed on landing. There is plenty of trim and elevator authority there in either case.

I tend to fly with 20 lbs of stuff in the back - oil, cover, ladder, tow bar, tools. If I offload all that, as when flying to an annual or after pick up, I find I use more turns of the trim wheel on landing, but still have trim left and more than adequate elevator authority. The 20 lbs o stuff may lessen my trim nose up by a full turn - or a bit less - of the trim wheel.

OTOH, those with Popeye arms may never even notice it.

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I'm confused. Do I need some weight in the back of the 182 when I'm full tanks and it's only the wife and I?

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Dave,

I too have an M model. In the setting you propose, water in the back greatly lessens the need for trim/how much trim is needed on landing. There is plenty of trim and elevator authority there in either case.


Maybe I'll go next door and pick up a case of Hangar 24 Orange Wheat and put it in the baggage compartment. Ya know, just in case I have a forced landing out in the boonies and have to wait a while for rescue. :cheers:

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Even at the forward edge of the CG, there's plenty of elevator authority to flare, but pitch response is a hair twitchier and it's a bit harder to keep the nosewheel up in the flare. It's really easy to set it down on all 3 simultaneously if you have any extra energy. You gotta have the airspeed nailed pretty good so there's enough energy to flare, but not so much that you balloon it.


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