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 Post subject: Kitfox any good?
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I get my speed fix now (441 and 200), but am hankering to own something small and simple. Was thinking a Kitfox might fill the bill, but was told they handle horrible. Unstable, like it continually wants to swap ends...in the air. I highly respect the person that's told me that, but he qualified it by saying he only flew 1 S/N.

Thoughts? Just get a 140 or Champ?


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 Post subject: Re: Kitfox any good?
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BS advice from people who have never seen one
Kitfox is a fine airplane and handles great. You don't sell that many of something that has big vices
It's just that the early models are a bit small for my taste. Starting with the "5" they are a little bigger and can fit more engine options to include the O-200

Hard to go wrong with a champ too, but the folding wing sure makes the kitfox attractive.


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I have a model 4 with 1100 hours on it, our family has trained two pilots from zero hours in it. We have yet to notice significant problems with the airplane. Major changes from 3-4, and 4- later. I probably wouldn't look at one earlier than model 4.


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You can get a sense of the capabilities watching Trent Palmer's excellent YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4SXMZ ... 5-3UuF-k6w


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Sweet! Thanks guys! I am intrigued by the folding wing. Any thoughts on a Lotus amphibs? They look weird.


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Jimmy Franklin seemed to enjoy it. The link says its from 1992, it seems like yesterday When I saw him do this at OSH.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/3Sv78pczl14[/youtube]

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The demand is very high right now. I ordered mine before Oshkosh and at that time the delivery time was estimated at the end of February for the kit. If you want them to build it completed John the owner said they where 4 1/2 years out.
If you want a weekend of fun and a feel for the plane book some time with stick and rudder in Idaho, they train in them.

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I have a model 4 with 1100 hours on it, our family has trained two pilots from zero hours in it. We have yet to notice significant problems with the airplane. Major changes from 3-4, and 4- later. I probably wouldn't look at one earlier than model 4.


What he said. I own a model 2. They are quite a bit cheaper for a reason. Max Gross is 950# versus 1200# on a model 4. Rudder is too small. Neutral stability about the yaw axis, in other words, it is just as happy to fly in a full slip as coordinated, you have to actively put the ball in the middle constantly. Very pronounced adverse yaw makes that pursuit even more interesting. But all that makes it fun to fly. Most of that was fixed by the model 4. The mayor had me land it in the town soccer field last month for Touch a Truck Day.


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What he said. I own a model 2. They are quite a bit cheaper for a reason. Max Gross is 950# versus 1200# on a model 4. Rudder is too small. Neutral stability about the yaw axis, in other words, it is just as happy to fly in a full slip as coordinated, you have to actively put the ball in the middle constantly. Very pronounced adverse yaw makes that pursuit even more interesting. But all that makes it fun to fly. Most of that was fixed by the model 4. The mayor had me land it in the town soccer field last month for Touch a Truck Day.


I wonder if that is what the guy I was talking to was referencing. ?

Also, what about a Rans Coyote (S-6)? Anyone know of these?


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Jimmy Franklin seemed to enjoy it. The link says its from 1992, it seems like yesterday When I saw him do this at OSH.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/3Sv78pczl14[/youtube]


They had a Kitfox do an aerobatic routine at OSH this year also. Flown by Kyle Franklin.

[youtube]http://youtu.be/NJ5f6aYoWww[/youtube]


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I know somebody who tried an aileron roll in a model 2. With that adverse yaw, it really whacked him out. Probably looked more like a lomcevak.

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Chris,

My friend's C140 is still for sale, though not advertised. I just spoke to Ken this morning in fact. Even at the price he's asking, it's probably a lot cheaper than a decent Kitfox.

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=151240


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Chris,

My friend's C140 is still for sale, though not advertised. I just spoke to Ken this morning in fact. Even at the price he's asking, it's probably a lot cheaper than a decent Kitfox.

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=151240


Wow, Don! That is a really nice 140! It does have make me think over a newer plane...


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Is a KitFox stressed for light acro right out of the box?

Looks like a hoot.


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Also, what about a Rans Coyote (S-6)? Anyone know of these?


i own a rans s6 and love it. mine is placarded against aerobatics but people do it all the time. the you-tuber "gravity knight" posts pretty good pieces in his s6.

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