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 Post subject: Oshkosh - any Cessna SETP news ?
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Any news from Oshkosh ?

Mockups, etc ?

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Avweb did a short writeup:

https://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/C ... 271-1.html


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 Post subject: Re: Oshkosh - any Cessna SETP news ?
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The more I read about it, the more I think it's a bad idea this thing. In that article, it's gonna do 1600nm and 285kts (carbon copy of PC12 performance), have same passenger capacity and cargo door config as a PC12.

What is the point again?

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The more I read about it, the more I think it's a bad idea this thing. In that article, it's gonna do 1600nm and 285kts (carbon copy of PC12 performance), have same passenger capacity and cargo door config as a PC12.

What is the point again?

Flattery?? :shrug: :scratch:

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The more I read about it, the more I think it's a bad idea this thing. In that article, it's gonna do 1600nm and 285kts (carbon copy of PC12 performance), have same passenger capacity and cargo door config as a PC12.

What is the point again?

Agreed which is why I think it's a smoke screen and they're gonna unveil a 300+ knot SETP the size of a PIlatus...... that would sell.

New engine, new airframe, 285 knots???? pointless. Go ahead and build something impressive if you're starting from scratch. Of course Textron is 100% "design by committee" so I'm not expecting much.


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The more I read about it, the more I think it's a bad idea this thing. In that article, it's gonna do 1600nm and 285kts (carbon copy of PC12 performance), have same passenger capacity and cargo door config as a PC12.

What is the point again?

Agreed which is why I think it's a smoke screen and they're gonna unveil a 300+ knot SETP the size of a PIlatus...... that would sell.

New engine, new airframe, 285 knots???? pointless. Go ahead and build something impressive if you're starting from scratch. Of course Textron is 100% "design by committee" so I'm not expecting much.

Would 300 knots be impressive? 15 knots wouldnt get my attention. What is that, like 5 minutes on a 3 hour trip? Make it 320 knots and people might sit up straight.
Personally I think they are wasting their time. Why build something you dont know how to sell? ( See the Textron thread)
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Would 300 knots be impressive? 15 knots wouldnt get my attention. What is that, like 5 minutes on a 3 hour trip? Make it 320 knots and people might sit up straight.
Personally I think they are wasting their time. Why build something you dont know how to sell? ( See the Textron thread)

Did you see the "+" sign on my "300+"

PLUS!!!

Jezuz you guys are dense sometimes.

Yes, 320 would be great. Anything over 300 TAS would make me buy one. 320 would destroy the single pilot jet market.


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 Post subject: Re: Oshkosh - any Cessna SETP news ?
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Would 300 knots be impressive? 15 knots wouldnt get my attention. What is that, like 5 minutes on a 3 hour trip? Make it 320 knots and people might sit up straight.
Personally I think they are wasting their time. Why build something you dont know how to sell? ( See the Textron thread)

Did you see the "+" sign on my "300+"

PLUS!!!

Jezuz you guys are dense sometimes.

Jezuz Jason. Eat Stickers or something! :lol:
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Jezuz Jason. Eat Stickers or something! :lol:

It's always the same %#$@ around here...... folks criticize minute comments of a post without even reading the damn post. It's impossible to bounce ideas around.


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Jezuz Jason. Eat Stickers or something! :lol:

It's always the same %#$@ around here...... folks criticize minute comments of a post without even reading the damn post. It's impossible to bounce ideas around.

Ease up cranky! That wasnt criticism. If you has said 320 knots +, I would have agreed.
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Ease up cranky! That wasnt criticism. If you has said 320 knots +, I would have agreed.
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Ha. ok.... sorry.


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It would need a lot more power to be able to do 320kt+. Power that just doesn't exist in that engine config, so that won't happen.

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It would need a lot more power to be able to do 320kt+. Power that just doesn't exist in that engine config, so that won't happen.

It's a brand new GE engine. How do you know what the configuration/power/altitude is?


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It would need a lot more power to be able to do 320kt+. Power that just doesn't exist in that engine config, so that won't happen.

Socata did it with a smaller engine on the smaller TBM. Clean up the air frame and intake, and it could happen. As Cranky says, we dont know what the engine is capable of yet.

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It would need a lot more power to be able to do 320kt+. Power that just doesn't exist in that engine config, so that won't happen.

It's a brand new GE engine. How do you know what the configuration/power/altitude is?


The GE Catalyst they said they were gonna use has only 40hp more than the PC12 in the announced version. Even in its most souped up announced version, 1600hp, it won't be able to get there. Drag exponentially goes up with each knot of speed. My guess - they'd need a 2000hp+ engine to be able to even think of getting to 320kts with that huge front area cabin and thick wing (if it's gonna have same fuel capability as PC-12 and the same slow landing and stall speeds).
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