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We talk about everything that flies here on BT, even airliners.

I've never known a BT'er to buy an airliner. I know lots that own single pilot airplanes. I own a boat.... I'll probably never own a cruise ship.


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When I was a young man, Dad always said "have at least 2........that way, if one won't the other one will" ;)

I think owning 1 plane that's too much for your mission is cheaper to operate than 2 planes.


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When I was a young man, Dad always said "have at least 2........that way, if one won't the other one will" ;)

I think owning 1 plane that's too much for your mission is cheaper to operate than 2 planes.

Well kiss my arse........you got me there :lol:

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CJ4: Ancient avionics (PL21), quasi-single point refueling (no fueling panel on aircraft).
PC24: Lav up front. Did I mention lav up front? In a plane with this much range, it'll be used. This isn't a Mustang.
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David, curious if you have sat in a PC24? I think your corporate customers will enjoy the additional space over the P300. (somewhere around 200 additional cubic feet) The 24 cabin is huge and I think is one of the overlooked features until you sit in one.

Fred makes a good point that the PC24 is really a mid-sized jet (like a Citation XLS) instead of a small jet (CJ4s, Phenom 300 etc). I believe the PC24 is the largest jet that is certified single pilot in terms of weight and cabin size.

IMO, the lav design is great use of entry door cabin space. You get the whole door entry area available for lav space. I looked at the Cessna Denali mock-up last week and the lav space takes up all the luggage space, it's a terrible use of space putting the lav in the back.

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I'd guess that a lot of potential flight department customers for the PC24 are like me and could care less about a cargo door and a reconfigurable interior and would like a conventional club arrangement with a serviceable lav and sink in the back.


Like Jason, we use our cargo door all the time for luggage. With the Citation or Phenom, you either have to put your luggage in an unpressurized (and unheated in the Citation) exterior compartment or drag it through the main cabin door and beat up the interior.


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Saw the first one delivered to a customer at my home field last weekend. The Planesense pilots seemed to like it.


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N124AF has been flying a lot, 3 or 4 flights every day.

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I was told it was more expensive to put the PTT in planes with aft lavs.


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I was given the tour of one the other day. Very nice. The lav was a little strange for me, but I’m not on many small jets, so my view is probably off. Very clean flight deck and overall, seemed like a solid aircraft. It will be interesting to see actual performance numbers once some models are in service.


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I was given the tour of one the other day. Very nice. The lav was a little strange for me, but I’m not on many small jets, so my view is probably off. Very clean flight deck and overall, seemed like a solid aircraft. It will be interesting to see actual performance numbers once some models are in service.

They've been "in service". Planesense has been running them.

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I'd guess that a lot of potential flight department customers for the PC24 are like me and could care less about a cargo door and a reconfigurable interior and would like a conventional club arrangement with a serviceable lav and sink in the back.


I would bet that there are also a large number of folks who would like a cargo door.
Heckuva lot easier to load baggage, less wear & tear on narrower doors. Also, I would guess that for some corporate types, a bit more polished to load people in the narrow door and stuff in the big door in back.

Also would guess that the Swiss did their homework in terms of customer research when deciding to add the cargo door to the PC-24. Still cannot figure out for the life of me why Beech/Textron/Cessna do not offer cargo doors as standard on King Air and the Citation series.

When you look at Pilatus, it is hard not to concede that they really give the whole package a lot of thought when it comes to performance and utility. In the SETP world they have one model that has substantial overlap with multiple models in the Textron/Beech/Cessna world. The same will be for the PC-24, will cover ground that Textron/Beech/Cessna have multiple models covering from a performance & utility perspective. That lets Pilatus concentrate resources and offer more in one package.

In a lot of ways they have genuinely cracked the code when it comes to the intersection set of customer desires and engineering prowess. Hats off to them...


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Good point Bill. That’s well said and I agree.

I think the gravel and dirt stuff is a bit far fetched. Maybe it is focused to air ambulance operations in Oz and Africa. But if you can afford a PC24 you can afford to land at a nice runway and charter a helicopter or caravan, and save the wear and tear and potential damage to your roughly $10 million dollar jet and million dollar engines.

Otherwise the features on the pc24 are all highly desirable and smart.

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Interesting that there are 0 positions available on Controller. Usually there is plenty of speculation on new launches.


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Interesting that there are 0 positions available on Controller. Usually there is plenty of speculation on new launches.


Pilatus won’t allow you to transfer ownership of a delivery position without losing your deposit. I’m not sure how strict they are but they certainly don’t want folks out speculating with delivery positions.


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Interesting that there are 0 positions available on Controller. Usually there is plenty of speculation on new launches.


Pilatus won’t allow you to transfer ownership of a delivery position without losing your deposit. I’m not sure how strict they are but they certainly don’t want folks out speculating with delivery positions.


That’s the industry norm. Can’t stop someone from taking delivery and then selling it immediately. Happened a lot on Gulfstream’s new G650. People with positions were selling them straight out of delivery at a nice markup. Nothing Gulfstream (or anybody else) could do about it.
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