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Post subject: Re: Can I operate a Conquest1on a 421 budget? Posted: 31 Jul 2018, 13:23 |
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Joined: 11/08/12 Posts: 12799 Post Likes: +5226 Location: Jackson, MS (KHKS)
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Username Protected wrote: Looks like it needs two (2) Hot Section *Inspections* in 350 hours, or find to replacement engines. That's a couple hundy...
TPE HSI are generally not a couple hundred.
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Post subject: Re: Can I operate a Conquest1on a 421 budget? Posted: 31 Jul 2018, 13:45 |
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Username Protected wrote: Looks like it needs two (2) Hot Section *Inspections* in 350 hours, or find to replacement engines. That's a couple hundy...
TPE HSI are generally not a couple hundred.
Our quotes for -6 Hot section have all approached the $100k each threshold. They say if you have lived a pious life it might be $60k but in my world the parts are usually worst case given my luck. So we are sorta figuring worst case with tax title dealer prep delivery install new LEBOWs, rigging and all that mess.... around $100k each.
AT least that's what a half-dozen TPE shops all tend to hover around. I wish it was $50k each but I don't think it will be.
TJ
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Post subject: Re: Can I operate a Conquest1on a 421 budget? Posted: 31 Jul 2018, 13:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: Merlin insurance is not as easy or inexpensive a[s] C400 series (the Honda Accord of the fleet).
Tj
Isn't the Honda Accord the most stolen car?
Ha probly! Although around Phoenix it has been my truck... 7.3 Superduty lately.
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Post subject: Re: Can I operate a Conquest1on a 421 budget? Posted: 31 Jul 2018, 15:14 |
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Joined: 05/31/13 Posts: 1235 Post Likes: +602 Company: Docking Drawer Location: KCCR
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Also Peter Danto at Premiere Aviation in Concord, CA is super knowledgable about 421's and could assist in a pre buy.
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Post subject: Re: Can I operate a Conquest1on a 421 budget? Posted: 04 Aug 2018, 17:13 |
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Would you be willing to share some of your expenses? Does PIPER require phase inspections or just an annual? Which aircraft has the quietest cabin ? Thanks, Edward
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Post subject: Re: Can I operate a Conquest1on a 421 budget? Posted: 04 Aug 2018, 17:15 |
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Joined: 08/21/14 Posts: 280 Post Likes: +86 Location: KPDK
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Alan, You will love the 421, my family did. You don't have to spend 400k to get a good one and the trailing link post '80 isn't worth the extra money. I owned a 414 and 421B and found the GTSIO engine more reliable than the 414's TSIO engines. The maintenance isn't that bad. Fuel pumps were the biggest PIA. Get a good inspection and you'll get a good plane. Yes, a 425 and 441 are better planes, but you can buy 3 or 4 good 421s for the price of a 441. I don't know if the SID inspections are still a factor but the required mx on the Cessna turboprops are pretty stiff.
And now the plug for a better plane. Buy an MU-2! In fact, there is a bargain MU-2 for sale here on BT. It will cost less to own than a 421, never break and go 270kts. The most expensive part of owning that plane will be the annual training.
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Post subject: Re: Can I operate a Conquest1on a 421 budget? Posted: 05 Aug 2018, 15:14 |
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Username Protected wrote: It seems the Garret powered planes have snuck into the conversation. With that in mind does the Turbo Comander make sense? It seems there’s a few good examples on the market at very reasonable prices.
Maybe Adam will chime in...
They always make sense, Alan! MU-2's normally can be had for a little less, but then with the slightly more expensive yearly training it probably washes out over a few years. Commanders a little more forgiving and have greater range, normally. Maintenance probably a wash. Commanders have 5 year gear overhauls, which I don't think the MU-2 has, But the MU-2 has a big costly inspection at around 6-7000hrs, which the Commanders don't. Both well supported by factory and plenty of parts. It's really down to your preference for either.
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Post subject: Re: Can I operate a Conquest1on a 421 budget? Posted: 05 Aug 2018, 16:53 |
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Jet fuel is rising. That is the X factor for the 421C. It stacks up better as JetA goes up.
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Post subject: Re: Can I operate a Conquest1on a 421 budget? Posted: 05 Aug 2018, 17:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: Jet fuel is rising. That is the X factor for the 421C. It stacks up better as JetA goes up. If jet-a is rising, so is 100LL...it might lag, but it will follow
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Post subject: Re: Can I operate a Conquest1on a 421 budget? Posted: 05 Aug 2018, 18:51 |
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Username Protected wrote: If jet-a is rising, so is 100LL...it might lag, but it will follow Gallons vs gallons. Not proportional with jet burners.
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Post subject: Re: Can I operate a Conquest1on a 421 budget? Posted: 05 Aug 2018, 19:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: If jet-a is rising, so is 100LL...it might lag, but it will follow Gallons vs gallons. Not proportional with jet burners.
Jet fuel always seems to drop back a lot faster than 100LL as oil prices fluctuate. In the longer run, no question 100LL will always be a more expensive, lower quantity boutique fuel.
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