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Post subject: Syberjet SJ30/Intriguing Airplane or not? Posted: 18 Jul 2014, 21:48 |
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Sounds like they broke ground up in Utah for production facilities for the SJ30. I've always thought this airplane was in a class by itself, since inception/certification back in 05/06'. Not necessarily that it is better than other jets of the era, CJ, Phenoms, etc, but that it was unique. What other airplane out there can go 2500 nm at a sea level cabin (12 psi diff is awesome)? And do it at .76mach? .82 mach if you want to get somewhere on a somewhat shorter flight. FL 450/.80 mach on 770pph? I'm not up on my CJ/Phenom numbers so don't know how they compare, but this airplane seems very reminiscent of a modern day version of an old Lear Jet. Smaller cabin, although you wouldn't know it from looking at pictures, as the space from the back window to the engines is center fuel tanks. Sporty, looks good, has the performance to back it up and it's not a Citation! Swept wings, leading edge slats, single pilot. Downsides, it does use a lot of runway to achieve Balanced Field Length and it's cost will probably be north of 6 million. A very interesting package to say the least. I've always wondered if this plane would be a success, looks like we will find out with the ground breaking in Utah. I'm certainly not in the tax bracket to be purchasing one of these, but I'd certainly like to fly one. I find the small cabin, big range combo interesting to say the least. Also like the idea of the swept wings, slats and single pilot thing. 
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Post subject: Re: Syberjet SJ30/Intriguing Airplane or not? Posted: 18 Jan 2017, 01:25 |
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Very impressive stats. Big price tag as well.....
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Post subject: Re: Syberjet SJ30/Intriguing Airplane or not? Posted: 18 Jan 2017, 11:20 |
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I just stumbled across this airplane a couple days ago. Impressive numbers, for sure. Looks similar to a Falcon 10/100 to me, which can't be bad! (Probably not built as heavy!)
I hope they do well.
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Post subject: Re: Syberjet SJ30/Intriguing Airplane or not? Posted: 12 Oct 2019, 10:19 |
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Perhaps it can be like the IAI Astra SPX. Interesting high performing jet, but business customers didn’t understand the brand or support system. Bought by Gulfstream, now those questions are answered. G100/150.
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Post subject: Re: Syberjet SJ30/Intriguing Airplane or not? Posted: 12 Oct 2019, 12:27 |
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Very limited market. No one outside an owner/operator would want to sit in a cabin that small for that long.
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Post subject: Re: Syberjet SJ30/Intriguing Airplane or not? Posted: 13 Oct 2019, 08:58 |
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2500 nm range; Mach.83. SP. Sea level pressure to 41K.  Tops at 49K To me it’s the equivalent of the “CJ5”:The only logical next step. And it looks like Honeywell has stepped up to the plate. Pretty much same stuff goes in a Falcon. Hope it works out this time.
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Post subject: Re: Syberjet SJ30/Intriguing Airplane or not? Posted: 14 Oct 2019, 23:26 |
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Like the Beech Starship, it was ahead of the times when it was developed over 3 decades ago. They have improved the aircraft and it has some capabilities that the Phenom 300 and Latitude lack and a potentially better price point. However, for stability, Cessna, Embrarer, and Gulfstream are hard to beat. It would be interesting to see one of those nifty computer generated comparison sheets showing the CJ4 or Latitude, the G150, the Phenom 300, and the SJ-30i.
We had plenty of hard working West Virginians that were more than happy to build this aircraft 2 decades ago. By then it had already been through the hands of Gulfstream, Jafee Group, and Lockheed brokered a deal to have it built in Martinsburg. However, they would only build a few airframes before the company would run into trouble again and be sold again.
Hopefully they will take off this time but it is hard to beat the marketing machines of Cessna, Gulfstream, and Embrarer.
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Post subject: Re: Syberjet SJ30/Intriguing Airplane or not? Posted: 15 Oct 2019, 14:37 |
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Morgan Freeman has one. He seems to like it....I'll bring it up if I run into him at an Ole Miss basketball game this season Attachment: N30GZ.jpeg
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Post subject: Re: Syberjet SJ30/Intriguing Airplane or not? Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 08:59 |
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As I understand the jet market, the key values are the maintenance network, engine programs (power by the hour), being part of a good-sized fleet which helps with aftermarket support and resale value, etc.
If someone invents a jet that is 10% or 15% better, but lacks the above, the jet is an also-ran for a decade until the big manufacturers catch up. Best case, one of the big boys buys the company, as Gulfstream did to get the G100.
The SyberJet has been in gestation since 1995 and in that time it has gone from revolutionary to “slightly better” or just “different tradeoffs” compared to competitors. I am doubting they can provide an ownership experience as good as Cessna, Embraer, Gulfstream before the design is passed up by comparison.
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Post subject: Re: Syberjet SJ30/Intriguing Airplane or not? Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 09:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: As I understand the jet market, the key values are the maintenance network, engine programs (power by the hour), being part of a good-sized fleet which helps with aftermarket support and resale value, etc.
If someone invents a jet that is 10% or 15% better, but lacks the above, the jet is an also-ran for a decade until the big manufacturers catch up. Best case, one of the big boys buys the company, as Gulfstream did to get the G100.
The SyberJet has been in gestation since 1995 and in that time it has gone from revolutionary to “slightly better” or just “different tradeoffs” compared to competitors. I am doubting they can provide an ownership experience as good as Cessna, Embraer, Gulfstream before the design is passed up by comparison. Yeah. Maintenace was brought up. That will be an uphill. They mentioned production is taking place on 2 planes right now without the upgraded engines in San Antonio. Then production is going to Utah. And hope to have maintenance facilities in Ca and Fl. Maybe they ultimately hope to get picked up. But I really don’t see that happening. It’s too much just a little personal fighter jet. Passenger amenities are scant, to say the least.
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