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As an aside, Larry Ellison keeps a CJ4 based here.

It would have to be operated on minimum fuel.

On a 25C day, CJ4 requires 2660 ft at 11,000 lbs (the lightest weight in the takeoff charts). Typical empty weight is 10,100 lbs. That's 1 pilot, 1 passenger, and 500 lbs fuel. And that still doesn't make runway length.

I'm perplexed how a CJ4 can operate legally at SQL on other than very cold and windy days.

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A helicopter would do that trip faster and be potentially office to plane.

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Maybe this runway still exists ar Pax River for the testing ? :D
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Never realized how stubby the Bronco wings were. It's insane. Looks like they're missing the outer part of the wing. :bugeye:

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As an aside, Larry Ellison keeps a CJ4 based here.

It would have to be operated on minimum fuel.

On a 25C day, CJ4 requires 2660 ft at 11,000 lbs (the lightest weight in the takeoff charts). Typical empty weight is 10,100 lbs. That's 1 pilot, 1 passenger, and 500 lbs fuel. And that still doesn't make runway length.

I'm perplexed how a CJ4 can operate legally at SQL on other than very cold and windy days.

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I’ve heard it does shorter trips (SoCal) and sometimes just ferries him to the big plane in KSCK...

A helicopter would do that trip faster and be potentially office to plane.

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The airport has a max landing weight limit based on certified weight. Not sure how it gets by. Thought it was his sons David’s plane.

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The airport has a max landing weight limit based on certified weight.

That will prohibit the PC-24 as well.

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Not even the first bizjet for that.
I’ve got an hour or two in these.


The Falcon 20 is the jet that launched FedEx. If the PC 24 with a wide cargo door can get into and out of significantly shorter fields than the competition, it will become a good fast feeder for package carriers; even without dirt strip capability.



That Falcon was originally one of FedEx’s. She had a lot of time and cycles by the time I flew her. There was still some purple paint underneath all the other layers, too. :D

We had a few of them in the fleet.

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The airport has a max landing weight limit based on certified weight.

That will prohibit the PC-24 as well.

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Funny thing is I cannot find that weight limitation in the A/FD or government charts. The limitation is only listed in the Jeppesen chart.

In theory at least, since the PC24 had dual main wheels, it should not have the same weight limitations as a single wheel jet. Many airports list the weight limitations by the number of main wheels, not sure if this is the case at SQL or not.

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Funny thing is I cannot find that weight limitation in the A/FD or government charts. The limitation is only listed in the Jeppesen chart.

In the AFD it says "S-12.5". Means single wheel, 12,500 lbs max.

I don't know if that is regulatory or advisory. Probably best to contact airport manager and ask.

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It’s regulatory. I called the airport manager Gretchen about it. I asked if we could bring our 350 in there. I said we were only going to weigh 11,500. She said it was fine. We did. Next day she called back and said that’s she made a mistake. It’s certified landing weight and not actual weight. It’s a County ordinance. Half Moon has same 12,500


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Brent your right. A/FD doesn’t list it. Interesting Wikipedia shows the limitation.

It shows above 12,500 prohibited on the airports webpage.

http://www.sancarlosairport.org/airport-facts/


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A/FD doesn’t list it.

Seems to when I look.
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Yes mike that shows single wheel 12,500. You already said that. Plus those weights published in A/FD aren’t operating limations.


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I'm perplexed how a CJ4 can operate legally at SQL on other than very cold and windy days.

All I said was that he keeps one here...

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All I said was that he keeps one here...

N417C, 525C0021, CJ4

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Violates takeoff runway length requirements on almost all takeoffs (it would have to be exceptionally cold, light, and windy to be legal), violates landing weight limitation all the time.

Rules don't apply to billionaires, I guess, but physics still does.

Mostly used between SQL and SMO, but sometimes SMF.

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Grass field landing and takeoff, pretty impressive.



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