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Then go get some F-104 time...

https://generalaviationnews.com/2018/06 ... A-20180608

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Low pass at KSC at the 5:00 mark.........watch the altimeter spin on the pull up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHaQ-8ta9EY


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Low pass at KSC at the 5:00 mark.........watch the altimeter spin on the pull up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHaQ-8ta9EY

That's gotta be hell on those steam gauges. Looks so fun! :drool:


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Low pass at KSC at the 5:00 mark.........watch the altimeter spin on the pull up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHaQ-8ta9EY


I'm happy when I'm light and I see 1500 feet/minute.... That's gotta be something close to 1000 feet/SECOND initially!


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Anyone know why it shakes so much? In a lot of phases of flight.
I first saw the pilots hand shake just after rotation so I thought it had something to do with the spinning tires coupled with gear retraction.

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Low pass at KSC at the 5:00 mark.........watch the altimeter spin on the pull up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHaQ-8ta9EY


I'm happy when I'm light and I see 1500 feet/minute.... That's gotta be something close to 1000 feet/SECOND initially!

I counted the altimeter needle go around 18 times in about 30 seconds. You are almost right, and not just for the first couple thousand feet.... wow.
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The shots of the landing gear really make it plain just how much F104 DNA is in an MU2.

Mitsubishi built F104J in the early 1960s during the time the MU2 was designed. No parts are interchangeable that I know of, but you sure can see the design influence in a few places.

I guess that means the MU2 design is partly Lockheed.

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Anyone know why it shakes so much? In a lot of phases of flight.
I first saw the pilots hand shake just after rotation so I thought it had something to do with the spinning tires coupled with gear retraction.

Phil

The tip tanks move (wiggle) a lot, like the Mu2 they are relatively flexible so that camera looks funny.

There would probably be some aero buffet since it ain’t got much wing (boundary layer control air fed by bleed air).

I assisted on the SF crew a few times back when they did airshows, with Tom Delashaw (RIP). Those motors make some really goofy sounds at idle.

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Or try an F4 Phantom. When I flew the P51C (Collins Foundation) a couple years ago, you could also buy an hour in their F4 for a mere $11,000.00. :bugeye: Still would have been a once in a lifetime.


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I was talking to an ex. F-104 driver yesterday. He said from brake release to 40,000 feet could be done in a minute and 40 seconds.


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A Canadian pilot coined the phrase intended for 104 pilots "banking with intent to turn." :D


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Or try an F4 Phantom. When I flew the P51C (Collins Foundation) a couple years ago, you could also buy an hour in their F4 for a mere $11,000.00. :bugeye: Still would have been a once in a lifetime.


You should have Ed. When flown clean the F-4 approaches the performance of a '104.


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Or try an F4 Phantom. When I flew the P51C (Collins Foundation) a couple years ago, you could also buy an hour in their F4 for a mere $11,000.00. :bugeye: Still would have been a once in a lifetime.


You should have Ed. When flown clean the F-4 approaches the performance of a '104.


It's news to me that the Phantom "approached" the performance of a 104. The Phantom owned the time to climb to 40K and the time to reach 40K at Mach 2.2 after the Starfighter and I guaran damned good and tee you it could out hustle a 104 with four AIM 9s and two Aim 7s (not to mention you couldn't even find a place on the 104 to bolt all that stuff let alone drag a full 600 gal centerline tank off the carrier deck).

Performance specs for cleaned up, stripped out, civilianized warbirds are a little disingenuous in that this condition was never encountered in military life but, based on the above, I'd be very surprised if a buffed out, no radar in the nose, well tuned Phantom couldn't run away from a similarly configured Starfighter.

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