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 Post subject: Re: New Cirrus-SR18?
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SR20 Pilot window is more trapezoidal shape compared to rhomboid SR20 window. EX18 rear window more triangular than quadrilateral. SR20 Wing is maybe set a little further back with respect to the cabin and (?) less dihedral. Nose gear is different. Horizontal stabilizer placed further back w/r/t rudder.

I’m having a really hard time seeing any difference in those two planes...if the pics were taken from the same side and same camera angle, paint was the same, and both had wheel pants...are you sure they’re different??


Check out the FAA registration. If it were an SR20 then the registration would be for an SR20 not an EX18. Cirrus has registered a couple other types of planes in the past, but given that this is a new registration as of 5/30/2018 it doesn’t seem unreasonable to call it a new plane.

It has an amateur airworthiness certificate with two seats. My bet is that it’s a prototype for a trainer.

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 Post subject: Re: New Cirrus-SR18?
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Why would they make such minimal changes to a proven design?


It's not changes, it's a new design. Probably a two seat 160hp trainer. Look at the tail as well. This plane, the elevator sticks out past the rudder. Sr20 is opposite.

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It has an amateur airworthiness certificate with two seats. My bet is that it’s a prototype for a trainer.


That's my guess, too. With the popularity of the SR20/22, designing a trainer to get people in the family from square 1 is a natural evolution for them.


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While they are not geniuses...they sure are doers. SR18 got me hanging out in line for tickets. Cirrus about to clean up. Shame on Cessna.


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It has an amateur airworthiness certificate with two seats. My bet is that it’s a prototype for a trainer.


Where are you getting that from? When I looked up the n-number none of the airworthiness data was populated. In any event, I guessing what you meant was it was Experimental and not Amateur. Doubtful it would be certified as experimental-amateur built which is but 1 of 11 Experimental categories under the Special Airworthiness Certification process. Most likely, if experimental it would be under Research and Development.

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It has an amateur airworthiness certificate with two seats. My bet is that it’s a prototype for a trainer.


Where are you getting that from? When I looked up the n-number none of the airworthiness data was populated. In any event, I guessing what you meant was it was Experimental and not Amateur. Doubtful it would be certified as experimental-amateur built which is but 1 of 11 Experimental categories under the Special Airworthiness Certification process. Most likely, if experimental it would be under Research and Development.


Make & Model Inquiry in the FAA database. Looking at the history, the first Vision Jet has the same "Amateur" airworthiness certificate. No clue if R&D would be more appropriate or not- I'm just looking at the pattern, albeit with a very small sample size.

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Make & Model Inquiry in the FAA database. Looking at the history, the first Vision Jet has the same "Amateur" airworthiness certificate. No clue if R&D would be more appropriate or not- I'm just looking at the pattern, albeit with a very small sample size.

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Interesting - thanks for uploading. Personally I think they goofed, in that the data block is weird "Amateur/TC". That's a very odd way to label what I assume to be its certificate type: Standard vs Special. But hey, it really doesn't matter one way or the other.

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Based on the number of failed two seat trainer planes, I doubt Cirrus would enter that market.
If they are interested in the fleet training market, that really is a four seat requirement that carries three. (student pilot, instructor, and student in back "learning"; go read the details on flight programs at Republic Airlines, ATP, North Dakota, Emory....).
Additionally, Cirrus can make money on the Sr20 because of the extensive overlap in parts with the SR22 minimizing production costs and complexity. e.g. both plans got the upgraded spars at the same time, wing lengths switched within a year each time to be the same...

For fleet training they are really missing one critical feature, retract gear. Last I looked the FAA did not sign off on letting Cirrus "simulate" the retract to get the plane to qualify on the complex bracket.
Secondly, a nice to have for fleet purchase would be Jet-A burner. Same for selling internationally.

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My guess is 180hp diesel trainer

Cowling isn't big enough to house a diesel. Looks like pretty standard horizontally opposed shape/size to me.


Maybe a Deltahawk Diesel? They've (Deltahawk themselves) have flown them in a Cirrus SR20 frame for a while now. Slightly smaller than an IO-0360 if I remember properly, with accessories took up nearly the same space as the IO-360 when I saw it at Airventure. Side note: The dry engine weight of the DH 140/180/200 is about 60lbs higher or so than the IO-360.

Now that's Cirrus taking a big risk that Deltahawk is really close to getting their engine certified. I mean they (Deltahawk) can claim by Airventure 2018 for certification, but until the engine is certified it would be a serious gamble for Cirrus. Add in the other unknowns as well: TBO, overhaul cost, et al.

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