BeechTalk - BT - Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Jun 2018, 21:54

Citations are cool because you can do this easily

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMLwxTLH2Ag

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Jun 2018, 22:01

Username Protected wrote:

Citations are cool because you can do this easily

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMLwxTLH2Ag

Which runway is that Michael?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Jun 2018, 22:04

Username Protected wrote:

Citations are cool because you can do this easily

Amazing, a pilot who can land without a touch down marker wasting 1000 ft of runway.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Jun 2018, 07:32

Sounds like the 60 knot restriction for the T/R's might have been ignored by just a knot or 2. :peace:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Jun 2018, 08:09

Username Protected wrote:

Citations are cool because you can do this easily

Amazing, a pilot who can land without a touch down marker wasting 1000 ft of runway.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Jun 2018, 08:33

KMVM, parked next to my friend's V. TR thrust came out at 60kts but buckets stay out at idle. Used 1,800ft at 9,500lbs, book is 2,100 no TRs. I have 1,600lbs and my friends V has 3,000 which is plenty to get me 12 minutes to gas up.

Could a CJ1 or CJ3 do 2,900ft safely ?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Jun 2018, 08:46

Touch down

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Jun 2018, 08:47

Username Protected wrote:

KMVM, parked next to my friend's V. TR thrust came out at 60kts but buckets stay out at idle. Used 1,800ft at 9,500lbs, book is 2,100 no TRs. I have 1,600lbs and my friends V has 3,000 which is plenty to get me 12 minutes to gas up.

Could a CJ1 or CJ3 do 2,900ft safely ?

In my CJ with calm winds, 9500 lbs the app says 2740'

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Jun 2018, 08:51

Username Protected wrote:

KMVM, parked next to my friend's V. TR thrust came out at 60kts but buckets stay out at idle. Used 1,800ft at 9,500lbs, book is 2,100 no TRs. I have 1,600lbs and my friends V has 3,000 which is plenty to get me 12 minutes to gas up.

Could a CJ1 or CJ3 do 2,900ft safely ?

from APG.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Jun 2018, 09:27

Here are some real world engine numbers for a 1A at 370 at MCT, TAS was 340kts.

Not sure it matters too much but left and right are nicely matched

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jun 2018, 15:28

Username Protected wrote:

Here are some real world engine numbers for a 1A at 370 at MCT, TAS was 340kts

I know it's a Cessna vs Cessna thread, but I couldn't help noticing that you're burning almost twice as much as you used to when you owned an Eclipse, Mike, but now you're going slower

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I like the video you posted.

Ken

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jun 2018, 16:04

Username Protected wrote:

I couldn't help noticing that you're burning almost twice as much as you used to when you owned an Eclipse, Mike, but now you're going slower

The Eclipse is the most efficient jet ever made.

That includes even comparing it to the SF50.

Maybe someone in the future will design and build a viable twin jet of similar parameters.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jun 2018, 20:05

Username Protected wrote:

Here are some real world engine numbers for a 1A at 370 at MCT, TAS was 340kts

I know it's a Cessna vs Cessna thread, but I couldn't help noticing that you're burning almost twice as much as you used to when you owned an Eclipse, Mike, but now you're going slower

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I like the video you posted.

Ken

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jun 2018, 20:13

Getting in is only half the battle. Getting out with enough fuel leagally is the other half. #onlygottobewrongonce[/quote]

Takeoff used about 1,700 feet of runway with 1,600lbs of fuel, 3 adults, 1 small child and 150lbs of baggage, temp about 75.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 Jun 2018, 23:56

Username Protected wrote:

5) Citation is a better short field airplane with the reversers.

Do thrust reversers reduce the AFM landing distance in your plane? In most planes, they do not.

In any event, your 2900-foot runway at 95 MSL is within the capability of the Eclipse without the complexity of reversers and paddles. Rollout at ISA would be about 1800 feet. As you recall, a number of Eclipse owners are based at fields *shorter* than KMVM.

I do agree with your point that you have a lot more space in your plane. If you're actually using it, that makes considerable sense. If you're paying twice the fuel to haul around an empty cabin, not so much. You wouldn't be alone in doing that--lots of folks pay to haul around more space than they're routinely using.

Ken