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 Post subject: Re: SETP "safety"
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It may be "comforting", but it isn't realistic. 7 million SR flight hours, 0 such cases.
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Mike, in the spirit of possibly saving you the $$$ I spent on marriage counseling, please write this down:

Using logic, no matter how sound, to address a woman's feelings is an effective way to sway her to your point of view...oh...never.

"I used this sound logical argument to convince my wife that her feelings made no sense" is a statement made by...no man, ever. Oh, some men think they won her over. Those men are wrong about that too.

Carry on.

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Data and technical arguments don't matter. The red handle is a simple answer to the spouse's question, and that sells airplanes.

I apparently have a higher opinion of a spouse's ability to use logic and reason than you do.

Try it sometime, they may surprise you.

People who truly have a fear of flying, a clinical phobia, won't be swayed by a chute. They have problems flying commercial, in fact. For those without the phobia, logic and reason usually works.

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The funny thing is..... nobody has ever chosen to fly commercial over flying with me.

Once they have chosen you, perhaps self preservation isn't the main goal any more.

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So two pilots are safer than two engines. Maybe you could teach her to fly.

If not, an emergency parachute is about $2500.

Glad that she is good at other things.

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It may be "comforting", but it isn't realistic. 7 million SR flight hours, 0 such cases.
Mike C.


Mike, in the spirit of possibly saving you the $$$ I spent on marriage counseling, please write this down:

Using logic, no matter how sound, to address a woman's feelings is an effective way to sway her to your point of view...oh...never.

"I used this sound logical argument to convince my wife that her feelings made no sense" is a statement made by...no man, ever. Oh, some men think they won her over. Those men are wrong about that too.

Carry on.


This video might help Mike understand what you are telling him here.


https://vimeo.com/66753575

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So two pilots are safer than two engines.

Lot of truth in that.

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People that are afraid to fly GA are afraid to fly GA. My wife is in that category. It takes all I can do to keep her comfortable in the Mustang. Mostly, she hates any kind of weather issue, even a light overcast. She simply hates flying through clouds. It’s a difficult cure. Trying to make slow progress. Sometimes it can be about more than how many engines are on the airplane.

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People that are afraid to fly GA are afraid to fly GA. My wife is in that category. It’s takes all I can do to keep her comfortable in the Mustang. Mostly, she hates any kind of weather issue, even a light overcast. She simply hates flying through clouds. It’s a difficult cure. Trying to make slow progress. Sometimes it can be about more than how many engines are on the airplane.


Are we married to the same woman???


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you guys are missing the forest for the trees. Many times, the non-pilot spouse recognizes that airplanes have redundancy and emergency procedures to follow. The single point failure they see is the pilot. If the pilot has a stroke, what do they do ? Telling them to "pull this red handle" is a comforting answer.



Install a red handle in the Meridian. Tell her to pull it in an emergency. Put a flag on the other end of the handle that says, "sorry I lied".


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Install a red handle in the Meridian. Tell her to pull it in an emergency. Put a flag on the other end of the handle that says, "sorry I lied".

Better yet, instructions on how to engage autopilot and use the radio.

Amazingly, Sporty's sells this already:

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Are we married to the same woman???

it's happened - does you wife take a lot of business trips to Oregon ?


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I own an SR22. I just made a deal to join a partnership in a Meridian. I told her about it beforehand, but now she's upset because the new plane still only has one engine and it doesn't have a parachute. She doesn't (won't?) understand the turbine vs piston argument. I've shown her the data about the rarity of inflight shutdowns to no avail. Any suggestions on how to present the advantages to a totally non technical and skeptical audience? BTW, I'm not getting a new wife. There are other good reasons to keep her.


Humor aside, ask her if she wants the logic of why you selected the plane. If she says yes, you can walk her through it. If no, then you have a few choices.
1. Sell your partnership.
2. Guilt her into going in the Meridian with other couples on short flights that the SR22 cannot carry/do because of weather, time or something. Gradually build up the familiar aspect of the plane.
3. Always fly the Meridian alone.
4. Give her space and time to realize it is safe by you flying it to meet her at locations. e.g. have her drive the car for a multi-week trip and you use it to hop over for a few days at a time to deal with work.

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Put her in the back of the Meridian at FL280 on a 3 hrs flight and she wont want to fly in the Cirrus anymore.



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I own an SR22. I just made a deal to join a partnership in a Meridian. I told her about it beforehand, but now she's upset because the new plane still only has one engine and it doesn't have a parachute. She doesn't (won't?) understand the turbine vs piston argument. I've shown her the data about the rarity of inflight shutdowns to no avail. Any suggestions on how to present the advantages to a totally non technical and skeptical audience? BTW, I'm not getting a new wife. There are other good reasons to keep her.

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Marc’s on the money now! My wife is asleep by 5000’ in climb and wakes up when we start the descent. Sitting in Back right seat where I can see her and she has plenty of room, pillow and blanket when needed.

She prefers to never ride commercial again, hate to say it but that may be in the cards a lot.

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Put her in the back of the Meridian at FL280 on a 3 hrs flight and she wont want to fly in the Cirrus anymore.
That’s my plan. I hope it works.


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