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Then they should be careful about what they wish for. If I was a Cirrus exec, I’d be hoping there would never be a chute pull in a Cirrus Jet.

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Then they should be careful about what they wish for. If I was a Cirrus exec, I’d be hoping there would never be a chute pull in a Cirrus Jet.

They should be extremely rare.

Cirrus is doing a lot to prevent that from being necessary. With a plane that is designed to be familiar to those transitioning from other Cirrus planes (and really, the difference between a SR20 to SF50 vs SR22 to SF50 is pretty small), advanced features like "Safe Return", etc. they're trying hard to make the plane and its pilots as safe as they can. Add the requirement for a type rating on top of that and it's as good as you're likely to get for a GA airplane.

Look at this anecdote as an example. The report is that the owner washed out of the type training. That doesn't happen with an SR22 or a Baron. If that's what happened then the system actually worked and this guy and his passengers are likely safer for it.

As to the CAPS? It's just like the SR series; it will be there to bail you out if something really unpleasant happens. Hopefully we wont see SF50s running out of fuel, though I have no illusions that it won't happen. Engine failure after takeoff is going to be the biggest mechanical risk the pilots of this plane will face, and it's one place where CAPS can't save you. Fortunately that's a fairly small window in a turbine plane.

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The thought of an engine failure shortly after takeoff in a SF50 is ugly. Yet, that’s one of the more probable flight phases for engine failure. Fortunately, Williams has a good record.

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The thought of an engine failure shortly after takeoff in a SF50 is ugly. Yet, that’s one of the more probable flight phases for engine failure. Fortunately, Williams has a good record.

Yeah, but we both know that only goes so far. I agree; losing the engine below CAPS altitude in this plane would be a very bad thing.

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The thought of an engine failure shortly after takeoff in a SF50 is ugly. Yet, that’s one of the more probable flight phases for engine failure. Fortunately, Williams has a good record.


With a stall speed of 67 KIAS, You probably have a fairly good chance of survival if the pilot is on the ball.

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The thought of an engine failure shortly after takeoff in a SF50 is ugly. Yet, that’s one of the more probable flight phases for engine failure. Fortunately, Williams has a good record.


With a stall speed of 67 KIAS, You probably have a fairly good chance of survival if the pilot is on the ball.

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I don’t know about you, but I don’t want to hit anything at 70 kts.

Depends on what you hit. :cheers:

67 KIAS versus 74 KIAS (I believe) for a P-Baron, or 77 KIAS for Aerostar, or 76 KIAS for a Duke, or 67 KIAS for a PC-12 (just amazing)...

That delta of 8 or more knots matters a lot.
Point is, SF50 from a performance and capability perspective, the SF50 is on the lower end of speed with an engine failure in the critical takeoff segment compared to most competitors (especially if limited to pressurized models).

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The Vision Jet is now approved for autoland “Safe Return.” A passenger can push the button. ....another feature with a focus on safety.
https://www.globalair.com/Articles/Cirr ... n-Autoland

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Passed 50 on the registration list.....

The market has spoken on the SR and SF lines. Dislike them all you want, most people shopping for a NEW aircraft are considering Cirrus, and Cirrus is pretty dang good at closing the deal.

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27 months ago, there were 52 SF50’s registered. Now there are 218.....an average of about 6 deliveries per month during that time...
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Starting to see them all over the place.

I would take autoland over a chute any day.

Sweet plane, just wish it went farther.


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Hmmm, can't recall seeing this in this 33 page thread, and I'm not about to search.......but, I see a resemblance...... :D


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Hmmm, can't recall seeing this in this 33 page thread, and I'm not about to search.......but, I see a resemblance...... :D

All Wood. Cirrus won’t need the Terminix service though.

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Starting to see them all over the place.

I would take autoland over a chute any day.

Sweet plane, just wish it went farther.


There is one just starting outside the bedroom window at 46U where I am this week. Surprisingly loud on the ground.

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