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Post subject: Re: which taildragger... Posted: 17 May 2018, 11:43 |
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Joined: 05/29/14 Posts: 2879 Post Likes: +2933 Location: CEA3
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Username Protected wrote: Here's a Turbo Cessna 170, TSIO360. I just saw it on Craiglist. No connection with the seller. https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/avo ... 39702.htmlHow does that even work?? STC? Field Approval? They didnt make a Turbo 170 did they? And to Allen's comment, what is wrong with the TSIO360 ( I know nothing about them)?
Highest MTBF of that size of engine. Lots of crammed in flingy things trying to come apart.
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Post subject: Re: which taildragger... Posted: 17 May 2018, 13:44 |
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Joined: 11/17/12 Posts: 589 Post Likes: +340 Location: Greensboro, NC
Aircraft: C170B, BE35, CRJ
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Username Protected wrote: Here's a Turbo Cessna 170, TSIO360. I just saw it on Craiglist. No connection with the seller. https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/avo ... 39702.htmlHow does that even work?? STC? Field Approval? They didnt make a Turbo 170 did they? And to Allen's comment, what is wrong with the TSIO360 ( I know nothing about them)?
That airplane is of the Frankenstein variety. It was built by a gentleman that owned a salvage yard in Texas back in the 1980s sometime and is a 172XP from the front doorposts forward, and a 1952 170B from the front doorposts back. The airplane, as I understand it, would have had no issues, but he decided to put the turbocharged engine in, and regaled it to the Experimental/Exhibition category.
It looks like a very capable airframe, and is pretty well-known in the 170 circles and appears to have had a quality surgery, but I guess folks are scared off of the category restrictions. That airplane has been for sale by the same owners for the last ten years or so.
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Post subject: Re: which taildragger... Posted: 17 May 2018, 14:33 |
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Joined: 11/08/12 Posts: 12798 Post Likes: +5224 Location: Jackson, MS (KHKS)
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Username Protected wrote: scared off of the category restrictions. Of which there are many, assuming you follow the rules.
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Post subject: Re: which taildragger... Posted: 17 May 2018, 15:39 |
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Joined: 05/23/08 Posts: 6059 Post Likes: +702 Location: CMB7, Ottawa, Canada
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An earlier lighter C180 would be a better more capable aircraft than a C170.
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Marc Bourdon
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Post subject: Re: which taildragger... Posted: 17 May 2018, 16:18 |
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Joined: 01/23/13 Posts: 8012 Post Likes: +5717 Company: Kokotele Guitar Works Location: Albany, NY
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Username Protected wrote: I have made the same argument, Marc. Having flown both, I tend to agree, but my Alaskan friends say that a modified “Super 170” beats out even a lightweight 180 for takeoff and landing distance. Some of them land on some pretty short gravel bars. But what kind of load does that 170 carry, and what rate of climb? I'm guessing that with 3 people in each, the 180 compares a lot better.
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Post subject: Re: which taildragger... Posted: 18 May 2018, 11:22 |
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Joined: 11/03/08 Posts: 14529 Post Likes: +22860 Location: Peachtree City GA / Stoke-On-Trent UK
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Tom, for what you're wanting, that thing is a legendary ground hog.
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Post subject: Re: which taildragger... Posted: 18 May 2018, 11:25 |
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Joined: 12/09/07 Posts: 16989 Post Likes: +12387 Location: Cascade, ID (U70)
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Username Protected wrote: Tom, for what you're wanting, that thing is a legendary ground hog. It would be just for putting around, having fun, and looking good. I already have a good backcountry plane. Throw a 220 Franklin in it and it would have some spunk, I bet. Nope. Not going to do it, but wanted to share it in case someone wanted a plane that's a pretty as a puppy.
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Post subject: Re: which taildragger... Posted: 18 May 2018, 11:50 |
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Joined: 11/06/13 Posts: 403 Post Likes: +246 Location: KFTW-Fort Worth Meacham
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1) Can live outside 2) Fits 6'3" me 3) Carries 400# of people and 2.5 hours to tanks dry 4) under $75K
A Supercub with older fabric fits this nicely. 2 people, all of their crap, 4 hours of gas. A 150 hp PA-12 would do as well.
I only have about 10 hours in a straight 170, and it was not anywhere close to as much fun to fly as a cub. I have no 180 time, but I did own part of a 185 for awhile. The 185 is a rewarding airplane to fly but it was not "fun". I would think the 180/185 series would be overkill for your mission.
The best option is an older Citabria or Scout. Yes, the fabric will suffer over time outside, but plenty of fabric airplanes live outside for long periods of time. Covers solve a lot of the problem.
Stick vs. yoke: stick everytime!
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Post subject: Re: which taildragger... Posted: 18 May 2018, 12:15 |
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Joined: 12/09/07 Posts: 16989 Post Likes: +12387 Location: Cascade, ID (U70)
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Username Protected wrote: 1) Can live outside 2) Fits 6'3" me 3) Carries 400# of people and 2.5 hours to tanks dry 4) under $75K
A Supercub with older fabric fits this nicely. 2 people, all of their crap, 4 hours of gas. A 150 hp PA-12 would do as well.
I only have about 10 hours in a straight 170, and it was not anywhere close to as much fun to fly as a cub. I have no 180 time, but I did own part of a 185 for awhile. The 185 is a rewarding airplane to fly but it was not "fun". I would think the 180/185 series would be overkill for your mission.
The best option is an older Citabria or Scout. Yes, the fabric will suffer over time outside, but plenty of fabric airplanes live outside for long periods of time. Covers solve a lot of the problem.
Stick vs. yoke: stick everytime! Or ... https://www.ksl.com/classifieds/listing/52064735
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