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 Post subject: Citation M2 - good entry level jet?
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Going with a friend to look over the Citation M2. A bit out of my range, never shopped in this category. Strong points/weak points to look into?


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A lot to like about the M2. It's basically what used to be a CJ/CJ1/CJ1+ in the most up to date form. The best part to like is the G3000 avionics suite and the integration. The rest is pure CJ with blinglets/wing tips that look cool but don't provide much other than looks.

Good 2-3 place airplane with 1100 mile range. Good 4-5 place airplane with 800 mile range. These are approximates of course.

Range for the short body CJ's is in my opinion the only real negative. Good manners. Reliable. Excellent support. The airplane is like a Labrador retriever, it will give its best effort to please the master everyday.


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Just get a CJ3. Then there's nothing else to get.

I never understood the concept of "entry level".... why?


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Just get a CJ3. Then there's nothing else to get.

Just get a CJ4. Then there's nothing else to get.

Just get a PC-24. Then there's nothing else to get.

Just get a Phenom 300. Then there's nothing else to get.

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There isn't a huge cost benefit in the CJ4 over the CJ3 for SP owner. And the CJ4 can't be upgraded. I was trying to keep costs in line with a new M2.

Phenom 300 and PC24 even used are a lot more money than a new M2.


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Just get a CJ3. Then there's nothing else to get.

Just get a CJ4. Then there's nothing else to get.

Just get a PC-24. Then there's nothing else to get.

Just get a Phenom 300. Then there's nothing else to get.

And so on...

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Yup... all true if you want to stay single pilot. You named them all. There isn't a "so on".

The only difference between the above is how much you want your acquisition cost to be.

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M2 is the gateway to the CJ3+.

Understand the ownership costs and complexity.

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You named them all. There isn't a "so on".

Beech Premier...

Syberjet SJ30...

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The Premier has all the liabilities of a mini jet and none of the benefits of a large jet. I'd love to have a Premier. Wish it had better numbers.

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M2 is a very nice machine. Been looking real hard at it.
For me and the wife, it will do our 1000nm legs.
I just wonder about operating these things single pilot. Nobody wants to be using a mask.
How far can it really go at 370 or 360 ?

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M2 is a very nice machine. Been looking real hard at it.
For me and the wife, it will do our 1000nm legs.
I just wonder about operating these things single pilot. Nobody wants to be using a mask.
How far can it really go at 370 or 360 ?


Nobody uses a mask anyway :tape:

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M2 is a very nice machine. Been looking real hard at it.
For me and the wife, it will do our 1000nm legs.
I just wonder about operating these things single pilot. Nobody wants to be using a mask.
How far can it really go at 370 or 360 ?


CJ1 specs. M2 should do a bit better. You can get a feel for the relative difference in altitude.

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M2 is a very nice machine. Been looking real hard at it.
For me and the wife, it will do our 1000nm legs.
I just wonder about operating these things single pilot. Nobody wants to be using a mask.
How far can it really go at 370 or 360 ?



I see what you meant, You will need a larger hangar.


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Just get a CJ3. Then there's nothing else to get.

I never understood the concept of "entry level".... why?



I agree, why buy something that's entry level, buy what your gonna fly.

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Fltplan go has the M2 as a standard profile if I remember right. Friend had one before he moved up to a CJ3+, my dream never to be plane. Bot the M2 and CJ3+ have the G3000 which is and excellent set up and the A/P is to die for with the 3000.

This is in response to my Question on KEVV to KRIL. "The M2 will do that trip with no problems. In the fltplan.com Quick Info section, I can see the trip is 950 NM with an average headwind in January of 55 knots. With those conditions, it will take 3:00 to do the trip and consume about 2400# of fuel, leaving you to land with 1000#. If the headwinds are actually 100 knots, you can still make it just under 3:30, still with fuel minimums. I have done similar trips many times with the M2 and it is not a worry. The Mustang will not do that trip. The M2 flies almost all the time at 400 KTAS. When heavy and hot, the speed may drop down to 390 KTAS or so at the highest altitudes but I don’t think I’ve ever seen it cruise below about 388 KTAS. In colder temperatures, it will fly about 410 KTAS. At those cruise altitudes, it is normally burning about 700 PPH of fuel."

540 LBs useful at full fuel but I think that includes 170lb pilot. Sorry not sure, but I believe Cessna's #'s always include pilot. If i'm right then useful the way I look at it is 540+ 170= 710. someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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