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 Post subject: Sold my A36 for PA46
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Feeling that it was time for a change, I sold my beloved 1991 A36 a few weeks back. It was a heavy model with all the extras available (tips, AC, radar etc). Typically I would see 155 IAS on about 15 gph LOP.

I just picked up my new bird last week in TX. It's a 1988 PA46-310. Some early observations.

It's much bigger both inside and out. Being able to move back and forth inside the cabin is certainly a plus. Having a pressurized cabin makes a big difference on long trips.

Flying: It's a real ground hog on the take off roll. You're not getting out under 3000 feet (hot day, with a decent load). Once in climb, I'm seeing 1000 fpm up to 16000. From there to FL210, it's around 600 fpm.

Climb speeds are 135-140 indicated. Once up in the flight levels, this plane really hunts. We saw 200 kts on 14.5 gph all day long. It has the TSIO 550C.

Anyway, I thought I'd share. Miss my Bonnie but love the new ride.

And before any more threats come in re photos.....I've included a few shots. Needs a paint job, but the panel rocks.


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Congratulations John,
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And to John's credit, in spite of his vast aviation experience, he spent many hours with a mentor pilot in his transition to the Malibu :thumbup:
Not everyone would set aside their ego, to accept that there are things to be learned in transitioning to a new aircraft. And it shows :cheers:

I think I smell JetA in your future, John :dance:

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The Malibu is the greatest piston traveling airplane there is. The continental engine is a perfect match to the airframe and it works as advertised.

I love my MU2 but I have to say, I miss the Malibu sometimes. I averaged 193kts geoundspeed over 400 hours. The ability to fly low in headwinds and high in tailwinds is amazing for improving block speeds.

I once, with a toddler and a 7 month pregnant wife did KCRE KBJC non stop into a head wind dodging weather the entire way. Very very few single pilot planes could pull that off and we all arrived feeling great.

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Anthony, was you’re Malibu based at BDU or BJC? I’m wondering if BDUs runway is too short.


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Congrats, well done!

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Anthony, was you’re Malibu based at BDU or BJC? I’m wondering if BDUs runway is too short.


Looks like BDU is 4200 X75 at 5288 feet elevation. I don't have experience in the Malibu, but quite a bit in a Mirage (Lycoming) which has a little more power. That would be an easy in and out in a Mirage even on a hot day. On a very hot day at that altitude, 30C, no wind, you would clear 50 feet by 3100 feet. Your ground roll would only be 1700 feet.

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Thanks Charles. The OP said that it was hard to get off in less than 3000 ft loaded on a hot day, so that's why I was asking. Maybe they were including the 50 foot obs...


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I've owned 2 Bonanza's and a Baron and loved them all, however I love my Mirage more. Love the pressurization and I always see more than 200 knots true above 22,000'.

When hot and heavy I use second notch of flaps (20 degrees), it gets me off the runway quicker. I have 140 gallons fuel, seldom fill over 120 gallons, but I sure love having that extra fuel for longer flights and IFR reserves. With that big wing the glide ratio is awesome too. Unfortunately it does not have Beech quality build. I think they get a lot their accessories at Big Lots.

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Funny, I have had 2 clients sell Bonanzas and move into PA46 (Turbine) in the last 2 weeks and another happening soon. Sounds like a popular progression!

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Thanks Charles. The OP said that it was hard to get off in less than 3000 ft loaded on a hot day, so that's why I was asking. Maybe they were including the 50 foot obs...


If you want book max performance, you would have to do the take off as a high performance take off. I see people give up a lot of runway with a lazy turn out or intersection departure, or slowly powering up on a rolling start. That is fine, but eats up a lot of runway. Ground roll is also quite a bit different whether using 0, 1 notch or 2 notches of flaps. So to get that 1700 foot ground roll on a hot and high day, would need to get the engine all in while standing on the brakes, 20 degrees of flaps and rotate at 69 KIAS as opposed to the more typical 85 KIAS.

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What Charles said.

20 degrees of flaps and it was not very hard to hit the book numbers. The plane 'likes' to eat up more runway but will happily fly away around 70 knots. I never had any problem at BDU with it, though I mainly flew out of BJC.

I could usually beat the airlines, door to door, anywhere in the country (helped by Denvers Airport being slow when airlining about).

Not a short field plane by any stretch, but I can't recall ever not going somewhere b/c of runway length.

The cabin is significantly better than a Bonanza IMHO. I scratch my head when people say otherwise. Exception being pilot seat for people that are 6'3+. Depending on PA46 model, seat extension, etc, that can be snug.

The guy who bought my plane did a full panel and paint on it with the new garmin touchscreens. it is pretty fantastic. I will try and find some pics to post.

What I find interesting is the amount of negative comments I heard before buying a conti powered Malibu. That it climbs slow (false), that is is terrible in ice (false), that it rides poorly (exceptionally false, that is expensive to maintain (false), low useful load (false). It is not the sportiest plane in the world, but that is not its mission, nor is it what I would choose for local flights down in the weeds.

It has some quirks, like every plane, but the owner community was great. It really is the only plane you can upgrade to if you want to regularly do transcontinental travel in the flight levels without o2 and spending less than 50k per year all in.


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Feeling that it was time for a change, I sold my beloved 1991 A36 a few weeks back. It was a heavy model with all the extras available (tips, AC, radar etc). Typically I would see 155 IAS on about 15 gph LOP.

I just picked up my new bird last week in TX. It's a 1988 PA46-310. Some early observations.

It's much bigger both inside and out. Being able to move back and forth inside the cabin is certainly a plus. Having a pressurized cabin makes a big difference on long trips.

Flying: It's a real ground hog on the take off roll. You're not getting out under 3000 feet (hot day, with a decent load). Once in climb, I'm seeing 1000 fpm up to 16000. From there to FL210, it's around 600 fpm.

Climb speeds are 135-140 indicated. Once up in the flight levels, this plane really hunts. We saw 200 kts on 14.5 gph all day long. It has the TSIO 550C.

Anyway, I thought I'd share. Miss my Bonnie but love the new ride.

And before any more threats come in re photos.....I've included a few shots. Needs a paint job, but the panel rocks.



Wow. Nice looking panel.


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