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 Post subject: Re: How does a 310 feel?
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I owned a J-35. Now I own a C-310G. Love them both.

The way the 310 sits I feel like I'm in a King Air on the ground. It is a bit roll-heavy in the air, but not compared to other Cessnas.


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 Post subject: Re: How does a 310 feel?
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But......with everything there is a downside. Like exhaust spraying onto wing/spar or the turbo version having a reputation for cracking or falling off and spraying exhaust onto spar.

Like all brands, a pre-purchase inspection by a knowledgeable examiner is important when you want to buy one.

There are many of these planes flying today that have never had spar corrosion, even the oldest ones (from the 50s and early 60s) that had the over-the-wing exhaust, which seemed to be a cause of the problem on some ...and that was moved to under-the-wing in 1964. The TurbChar planes have an AD on their exhaust that leads to replacement every so many years to avoid those corrosion issues.

These are remarkable old birds that I think are a joy to fly. When you own one, you should try to find an A&P to be its primary caregiver who really knows the model.


That is an area where the bonanza wins out. I have exactly one recurring AD on my bonanza.

They should have just attached an exhaust extender and been done with it. That would have cost about 0.6 knots.
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 Post subject: Re: How does a 310 feel?
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I owned a J-35. Now I own a C-310G. Love them both.

The way the 310 sits I feel like I'm in a King Air on the ground. It is a bit roll-heavy in the air, but not compared to other Cessnas.


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Agreed.

The "heavy" feel is no more than the 210 with one exception; Its not nose heavy and has plenty of elevator trim.

The ailerons are a bit heavier, but thats due to 300# on each tip. The dutch roll is apparent but that's just trainable.

For me its speed and economy are surprising. 185+ kts on 20 gph (>10mpg) and hauls a lot.

On landing its much less susceptible to gusts and is more stable in the flare than my old 210. Greasers come quickly with experience.

The 2bladed props are louder, but cheaper to own/replace. It would be nice to have modern 3 blades .


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 Post subject: Re: How does a 310 feel?
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But the cost of care and feeding stops me cold. Kinda like a SoCal trophy wife I suspect.

George

The 310 is much less expensive to own and to liquidate when the time comes. It is also very happy when you are opening the hangar and ready to take her out flying. SoCal trophy wife - most likely not!

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 Post subject: Re: How does a 310 feel?
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 Post subject: Re: How does a 310 feel?
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I owned a J-35. Now I own a C-310G. Love them both.

The way the 310 sits I feel like I'm in a King Air on the ground. It is a bit roll-heavy in the air, but not compared to other Cessnas.


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Can you post some interior pics?


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Can you post some interior pics?

Pick your color!
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 Post subject: Re: How does a 310 feel?
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I love this line from the brochure "Panel-mounted, eight track stereo system is optional."


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I have had, in order, over 48 years, a TriPacer, 172, 182, V35 Bonanza, a Cessna 310R, a Cessna 421B and now a B55 Colemill Baron. Each has done what I wanted, and have been excellent and fun airplanes for me. They are obviously very different and I suppose that's why I changed every once in awhile. For comfort and utility, the 421 wins hands down. For optimum performance per dollar, the V35 takes the prize, and for what I want now, which is two engines and snappy performance, the B55 Colemill is terrific.

The 310, specifically addressing the OP, was an excellent IFR plane, FIKI, radar, stormscope, good autopilot, roomy, lots of baggage space. I don't agree with the heavy roll response...it was stable, easy to land, good visibility, and a huge panel with tons of stuff in it. Nice to keep a flight bag between the front seats, in the days when we needed a flight bag.

None were mistakes or bad airplanes. Well, the TriPacer taught me the value of a good preflight. :-)


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I have had, in order, over 48 years, a TriPacer, 172, 182, V35 Bonanza, a Cessna 310R, a Cessna 421B and now a B55 Colemill Baron. Each has done what I wanted, and have been excellent and fun airplanes for me. They are obviously very different and I suppose that's why I changed every once in awhile. For comfort and utility, the 421 wins hands down. For optimum performance per dollar, the V35 takes the prize, and for what I want now, which is two engines and snappy performance, the B55 Colemill is terrific.

The 310, specifically addressing the OP, was an excellent IFR plane, FIKI, radar, stormscope, good autopilot, roomy, lots of baggage space. I don't agree with the heavy roll response...it was stable, easy to land, good visibility, and a huge panel with tons of stuff in it. Nice to keep a flight bag between the front seats, in the days when we needed a flight bag.

None were mistakes or bad airplanes. Well, the TriPacer taught me the value of a good preflight. :-)

What autopilot was in the 310? Are the Cesena autopilots good autopilots? Are they rate or attitude based autopilots?


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 Post subject: Re: How does a 310 feel?
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I have flown most of the model 310 series and some, but not all, of the 55 Baron series. Flew a few years for an outfit that had both a 1968 B-55 and a 1964 C-310I (like Arlen’s) and both were similarly equipped. Quality of construction generally favor the Beech products and they have somewhat more of a sports car feel. The 310, on the other hand, has a heavier control feel and seems to be bit stiff legged on landing but, nothing that a bit of experience cannot surmount. From the cockpit perspective: 310- throttles, props, & mixtures; on the Baron- props, throttles, mixtures. Also, flap and landing gear switches were placed in reverse positions. Much more shoulder and cabin room in the Cessna. In the Beech, think later 35 series Bonanza but, with two engines. Operationally, both were very similar.

The C-310I (at least the one I flew) was the fastest for the horsepower but, perhaps a bit more expensive to maintain than the Baron with the same engines. Good experience with the U-3A (USAF C-310A); it was lighter and had more of the “sports car” feel of the Barons. Overwing exhaust did make it more fatiguing on long flights; underwing exhaust definitely preferrable The models, from the G on, roomier and generally more comfortable. Canted tip tanks improved stability. The N, P and Q models were really delightful to fly, as was the R.

My choice, if I were looking, would be a really well maintained 310. (If you are looking for an older twin, do not discount the Twin Bonanza, truly a most comfortable and stabile platform.) Otherwise, from an ownership perspective, the Baron would win as there are more of them actively flying and maintenance expertise and parts are likely be easier to obtain. Both are great airplanes and both have their pluses and minuses.

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I have had, in order, over 48 years, a TriPacer, 172, 182, V35 Bonanza, a Cessna 310R, a Cessna 421B and now a B55 Colemill Baron. Each has done what I wanted, and have been excellent and fun airplanes for me. They are obviously very different and I suppose that's why I changed every once in awhile. For comfort and utility, the 421 wins hands down. For optimum performance per dollar, the V35 takes the prize, and for what I want now, which is two engines and snappy performance, the B55 Colemill is terrific.

The 310, specifically addressing the OP, was an excellent IFR plane, FIKI, radar, stormscope, good autopilot, roomy, lots of baggage space. I don't agree with the heavy roll response...it was stable, easy to land, good visibility, and a huge panel with tons of stuff in it. Nice to keep a flight bag between the front seats, in the days when we needed a flight bag.

None were mistakes or bad airplanes. Well, the TriPacer taught me the value of a good preflight. :-)

What autopilot was in the 310? Are the Cesena autopilots good autopilots? Are they rate or attitude based autopilots?


It was an FCS-810 as I recall. Worked great. I did have a trim runaway that turned out to be a trim switch wiring failure. Could have happened to any brand.

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Skyking indeed.


I was waiting for you to chime in here.....
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But the cost of care and feeding stops me cold. Kinda like a SoCal trophy wife I suspect.

George

The 310 is much less expensive to own and to liquidate when the time comes. It is also very happy when you are opening the hangar and ready to take her out flying. SoCal trophy wife - most likely not!


You have no idea. The 310 is waaaaayyyyyyyy less expensive. :lol:

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