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Post subject: Re: How does a 310 feel? Posted: 02 Jul 2018, 00:13 |
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Joined: 01/02/08 Posts: 7234 Post Likes: +5142 Company: Rusnak Auto Group Location: Newport Coast, CA
Aircraft: Baron B55 N7123N
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Username Protected wrote: I have to say though the air scoop on the A55 I flew was amazing. It's like sticking your head out the window. The B55's air system is OK, but not nearly as strong as the scoop. Here is the one I'm talking about.. http://www.csobeech.com/images/BaronVentScoop.pngThe early B55s had that scoop too. Mine does, a '64. True dat as well as the first ‘65 B55’s. TC-881 was the changeover to the cabin air intake on the left side of the aft fuselage fairing for the vertical stabilizer. I have owned both types and there is no question the scoop on top of the fuselage produces gobs of airflow. The downside is that it is really noisy! The later style cabin air vent system is much quieter yet still produces adequate air volume IMHO.
Now back to 310’s!!
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Post subject: Re: How does a 310 feel? Posted: 15 Jul 2018, 22:08 |
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Joined: 07/04/11 Posts: 1712 Post Likes: +242 Company: W. John Gadd, Esq. Location: Florida
Aircraft: C55 Baron
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Username Protected wrote: I've been training for an ME add-on to my commercial, with the MEI coming soon after, using a 310R and an Aztec. The 310 feels solid, like a truck. It's BIG, bigger than a Baron or an Aztec, and you climb up and sit high. It's like a mini-airliner inside, lots of controls, knobs and dials, overwhelming at first. But then it makes sense, and I'm told all the bigger twin Cessnas have the same layout.
In the air, it flies solidly, not unlike a heavy Bonanza. But on landing, the pitch is very heavy, and you have to pull back really hard if you're trimmed for the approach speed. It might be that adding up trim on the flare would help, but I've been too busy to think about that.
It's a bit weird at first, having the tip tanks be the main tanks, and you must use the main/tip tanks first, because the unused fuel always returns to that tank. You have to make room for returning fuel before you can use the wing auxiliaries.
Storage is great - big lockers behind the engines, nose and tail baggage. The "R" model I'm flying is a solid 6 seater, so the passengers aren't cramped. Beautiful plane, but it seems to be a maintenance hog from what I've seen (fortunately not on my nickel!) Correct. Way heavier than a Baron on the controls, but many benefits.
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Post subject: Re: How does a 310 feel? Posted: 16 Jul 2018, 06:10 |
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Joined: 10/08/11 Posts: 4840 Post Likes: +4124 Location: Naples, FL
Aircraft: Baron E55
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Username Protected wrote: Looks count. The classic shape of the 310s is definitely easier on the eyes: I agree. The 310 is a good looking airplane. Each time I see one in the air, taking off, or flying low level, looks like they are on a bombing run with those pods on the side. Definitely looks cool. Warren
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Post subject: Re: How does a 310 feel? Posted: 16 Jul 2018, 09:00 |
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Joined: 07/11/12 Posts: 2384 Post Likes: +1317 Company: Fractal Rock Solutions, Inc. Location: Atlanta, GA (KPDK)
Aircraft: 1970 Baron B55
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Username Protected wrote: Looks count. The classic shape of the 310s is definitely easier on the eyes: I agree. The 310 is a good looking airplane. Each time I see one in the air, taking off, or flying low level, looks like they are on a bombing run with those pods on the side. Definitely looks cool. Warren
Warren, I think yours is a “TE” not a “TC”
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Post subject: Re: How does a 310 feel? Posted: 16 Jul 2018, 09:13 |
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Joined: 08/21/13 Posts: 877 Post Likes: +590 Location: Charlotte NC (KEQY)
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Username Protected wrote: This is true... Much heavier. Baron feels like a sports car, 310 feels like a truck in pitch and roll.
That heaviness translate into a more stable feeling in turbulence. The 310 feels like a much bigger airplane. This is spot on, although I think perhaps a better analogy for the 310 is a train. It is definitely heavier on the controls to produce a flight attitude change and also more stable in straight and level flight. I think it much easier hand fly smooth and steady because of this. The Baron is like a 335i in Sport mode. Great responsiveness and feel, but also reacts to your slight and unintended inputs. The 310 just ignores them - it is heavy on the controls and not easy to upset. All this is taken from my expansive 3.0 hours of PIC in a 310Q, so weigh it accordingly.
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Post subject: Re: How does a 310 feel? Posted: 16 Jul 2018, 10:40 |
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Joined: 09/05/12 Posts: 676 Post Likes: +485 Location: Vero Beach, FL
Aircraft: C310R, E55P, H130T2
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I've never flown a Baron so I don't have much to add on how the plane "feels". I will say that 95% of the time I'm in straight and level flight the autopilot is engaged with GPSS steering enabled...point being I doubt you'll spend much time hand flying anyways. Even if it handled like a race car how often would you get to enjoy that? I suspect most other Baron owners are flying their plane the same way. The Baron and 310 are x-country traveling machines. With that said, the 310 is easy to hand fly and stays put if you take your hands off the yoke...I'm guessing that = truck. To be frank the only time I hand fly the 310 is local VFR flights, IPCs every 6 months, or turbulence that the a/p can't keep up with.
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Post subject: Re: How does a 310 feel? Posted: 16 Jul 2018, 23:03 |
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Joined: 01/19/10 Posts: 350 Post Likes: +156 Location: NY
Aircraft: C310R
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I like Baron, but my love is 310 R, fly on both, but do not compare them to singles, they are different animals.
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Post subject: Re: How does a 310 feel? Posted: 17 Jul 2018, 00:08 |
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Joined: 01/02/08 Posts: 7234 Post Likes: +5142 Company: Rusnak Auto Group Location: Newport Coast, CA
Aircraft: Baron B55 N7123N
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Username Protected wrote: I've never flown a Baron so I don't have much to add on how the plane "feels". John if had a a 310R as nice as yours and a PC12NG, I don't think I would give two sh**s about ever flying a Baron. That said, I sure have enjoyed the last couple thousand hours in the model 55.
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Post subject: Re: How does a 310 feel? Posted: 20 Jul 2018, 21:06 |
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Joined: 10/08/11 Posts: 4840 Post Likes: +4124 Location: Naples, FL
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Username Protected wrote: Warren, I think yours is a “TE” not a “TC” Mark you are right. I stand corrrected.
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