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Post subject: Re: Early Cessna 414's... Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 23:25 |
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Joined: 06/17/14 Posts: 5003 Post Likes: +1949 Location: KJYO
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Username Protected wrote: Heck, why not have too wife’s, the operating costs are similar. Two spouses would be 250% the expense and not just 200% plus we all know that two engines are more dangerous than one so, with that logic, two spouses would be more dangerous than one. It most certainly applies to children! I would argue that two kids are triple the cost of one and two boys most certainly are three times as destructive than one. It is just like operating a multi-engine plane! A PC-12 is cheaper and more reliable than a twin but only has the fuel burn of one turbine engine! One kid, one spouse, one engine.
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Post subject: Re: Early Cessna 414's... Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 09:28 |
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Joined: 08/24/13 Posts: 8450 Post Likes: +3687 Company: Aviation Tools / CCX Location: KSMQ New Jersey
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Username Protected wrote: Heck, why not have too wife’s, the operating costs are similar. It's just like 2 engines. Have trouble with one and the 2nd one might not save you.
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Post subject: Re: Early Cessna 414's... Posted: 25 Feb 2018, 00:46 |
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Joined: 06/17/14 Posts: 5003 Post Likes: +1949 Location: KJYO
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Username Protected wrote: So Bob, how many wife’s do you have. In the marriage department I am a SETP kind of guy! If I had two engines I can guarantee a CFIT! Years ago I flew a 401 and LOVED it! I have also had some right-seat 414 and 421 time. If I were in the market for a 414, and could put several hundred hours a year on it, I would buy a 421, likely a C built in the 80s because I really like the trailing link landing gear. However, this isn't my $$. Aforementioned kidlets put me into a Baron or TravelAir budget vs. a 421 budget.
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Post subject: Re: Early Cessna 414's... Posted: 05 Mar 2018, 22:45 |
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Joined: 07/04/11 Posts: 1712 Post Likes: +242 Company: W. John Gadd, Esq. Location: Florida
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Username Protected wrote: 414A with Ram IV's still carries 1,100lbs of people and stuff after full gas; 204 ga.
Roughly 4 hr duration with IFR reserves.
Without jumping to turbines, not much else that I know of will do that. You sure about those UL numbers?
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Post subject: Re: Early Cessna 414's... Posted: 06 Mar 2018, 12:49 |
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Joined: 12/29/10 Posts: 2556 Post Likes: +2217 Location: Dallas, TX (KADS & KJWY)
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Username Protected wrote: From memory, the RAM IV conversion increases the gross from 6,700 and change to 7,100 and change. Say, 7150 minus 1224 for gas. Empty with fluids around 4700 leaves 1,100. I’ll post from POH next time at the hangar.
Just for comparison's sake, my 421C is 5238 empty and has a max takeoff weight of 7579 (with VGs). Useful load of 2,341, payload of 1,105 with main tanks (206 gallons - 1,236lbs) topped off. I'm surprised that a 414A would be that much lighter than a 421C (straight legged - not trailing link). Not sure where the extra 500lbs would come from. Robert
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Post subject: Re: Early Cessna 414's... Posted: 06 Mar 2018, 18:48 |
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Joined: 11/08/12 Posts: 12799 Post Likes: +5226 Location: Jackson, MS (KHKS)
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Username Protected wrote: 414A Book shows:
Empty (with fluids and 9.6ga gas) 4,801.8
Does that include optional equipment like the copilot and passenger seats?
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Post subject: Re: Early Cessna 414's... Posted: 06 Mar 2018, 18:49 |
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Joined: 12/29/10 Posts: 2556 Post Likes: +2217 Location: Dallas, TX (KADS & KJWY)
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Username Protected wrote: 414A Book shows:
Empty (with fluids and 9.6ga gas) 4,801.8 Max Ramp 7140 Max T/O 7105 Useful 2,338.2 Fuel 204G usable (213.4 total) Useful after full fuel (6,025.8) 1,114.2
The only variable I see is if the scales were off? Now I'm even more confused... 421C book says the "Standard Empty Weight" is 4578, 4763, or 4979 depending on the model (various avionics packages I guess). Always thought my 421 was light, but I guess not. May be time to actually weigh her. Robert
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Post subject: Re: Early Cessna 414's... Posted: 06 Mar 2018, 19:29 |
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Joined: 01/12/14 Posts: 878 Post Likes: +523 Location: KCRQ
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Yup on on the seats. To add to the confusion, the Fltplan program sample 414A Ram IV shows 5,000 empty I think I'll take a nap
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Post subject: Re: Early Cessna 414's... Posted: 07 Mar 2018, 00:01 |
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Joined: 12/03/14 Posts: 19252 Post Likes: +23622 Company: Ciholas, Inc Location: KEHR
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Username Protected wrote: I'm surprised that a 414A would be that much lighter than a 421C (straight legged - not trailing link). Not sure where the extra 500lbs would come from. Much heavier props, heavier engines. That's probably most of it. Structure is a bit heavier for the higher weight. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Early Cessna 414's... Posted: 07 Mar 2018, 09:18 |
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Joined: 02/09/09 Posts: 5587 Post Likes: +2546 Location: Owosso, MI (KRNP)
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Username Protected wrote: I'm surprised that a 414A would be that much lighter than a 421C (straight legged - not trailing link). Not sure where the extra 500lbs would come from. Much heavier props, heavier engines. That's probably most of it. Structure is a bit heavier for the higher weight. Mike C.
....and a whole different wing...
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