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Post subject: Re: Early Cessna 414's... Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 23:31 |
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Joined: 10/20/08 Posts: 132 Post Likes: +42 Location: KORC
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I know of a 414A coming off a charter business. I don't have any interest in the plane, they're adding a Conquest instead of overhauling the engines. I'm sure it's been well taken care of.
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Post subject: Re: Early Cessna 414's... Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 23:51 |
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Joined: 02/09/09 Posts: 5551 Post Likes: +2503 Location: Owosso, MI (KRNP)
Aircraft: 1969 Bonanza V35A
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We just sold a managed early 421C, maintain and manage a 1975 414 that's about to go up for sale, and I've flown most of the piston C-300/400 fleet.
If I were upgrading from a 401 and looking for the most bang for the buck at an economical cost, I'd spend most of my time looking for a good 421B, followed by the later straight 414's with the 335HP Ram conversion. The 421C is a great airplane if you can swing the acquisition costs generally around 50% more than a 421B/414. The only cost difference in ownership for a 421B and a 414 will be the starter adapter AD that's due every 400 hours. The 421C/414A will add fuel valve AD's at 600 hours. However, the 414/412B will make up that difference in the additional components for the fuel system, so in the end, it's about a financial wash.
A 414 (and 340 for that matter) is a good airplane *IF* it has the Ram conversion, otherwise it's a dog. Even with the bigger engines, the 414 is milking everything out of the engines to develop 335HP. The 421B/C engines run much cooler, is much quieter, and is working effortlessly to carry the same useful load at the fully taxed 414.
It should be noted that the 414A has a totally different wing design than the 421C.
I've always said the 414 is the SUV of the Twin Cessna's, but the 421 is the Suburban that carries everything you can stuff in it..
The 421B is a steal right now!
Jason
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Post subject: Re: Early Cessna 414's... Posted: 18 Feb 2018, 16:39 |
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Joined: 12/04/09 Posts: 352 Post Likes: +149
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Thanks for the info all... Jason what prices are you seeing on Cessna 421B's???
We are looking at a '72 model 414 but it has J model engines..
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Post subject: Re: Early Cessna 414's... Posted: 18 Feb 2018, 22:53 |
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Joined: 02/09/09 Posts: 5551 Post Likes: +2503 Location: Owosso, MI (KRNP)
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Username Protected wrote: Thanks for the info all... Jason what prices are you seeing on Cessna 421B's???
We are looking at a '72 model 414 but it has J model engines.. I had just looked at controller and seem plenty of decent looking examples for under $150k. Jason
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Post subject: Re: Early Cessna 414's... Posted: 19 Feb 2018, 15:18 |
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Joined: 10/21/12 Posts: 1643 Post Likes: +518 Location: SW USA
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Username Protected wrote: A 414 (and 340 for that matter) is a good airplane *IF* it has the Ram conversion, otherwise it's a dog. ^ This 100%. We used to train and check our new pilots in the 414. If they could manage a 414 OEI then they would be able to handle the 421B and T310s without a problem.
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Post subject: Re: Early Cessna 414's... Posted: 19 Feb 2018, 16:25 |
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Joined: 11/08/12 Posts: 12798 Post Likes: +5224 Location: Jackson, MS (KHKS)
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Username Protected wrote: Any $150k 414/421 is a sucker bet, maybe even a sucker punch.
That's not true. A '73/74 with higher time engines, steam/430W and older cosmetics is every bit a $150K airplane. Many will postulate any owner too cheap to upgrade XYZ won't maintain his airplane either. Often true, but not an immutable law of nature. Find a plane that has a lot of hours and logbook entries between annuals, and you have decent odds.
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Post subject: Re: Early Cessna 414's... Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 13:17 |
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Joined: 11/08/12 Posts: 12798 Post Likes: +5224 Location: Jackson, MS (KHKS)
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Username Protected wrote: Anyone have accurate (i.e., POH) exterior dimensions for 414/421 and model variants? They vary meaningfully from model to model. Relevant nose to end of tip tank depth for a t-hangar may not be in the POH.
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Post subject: Re: Early Cessna 414's... Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 13:24 |
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Joined: 02/10/12 Posts: 6819 Post Likes: +7927 Company: Minister of Pith Location: Florida
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Username Protected wrote: Anyone have accurate (i.e., POH) exterior dimensions for 414/421 and model variants? They vary meaningfully from model to model. Relevant nose to end of tip tank depth for a t-hangar may not be in the POH. Yeah, that's why I'm asking. The Bifold Doors site has a couple different numbers for 421, for example, no idea what they use for a source.
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Post subject: Re: Early Cessna 414's... Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 21:54 |
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Joined: 06/17/14 Posts: 4894 Post Likes: +1862 Location: KJYO
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If you are going to buy a 421C why not just spend a few pennies more and buy a MU2? The operating costs are similar.
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