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 Post subject: Crosswind landing in a C177RG
PostPosted: 13 Jan 2018, 00:37 
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I have a fun landing at KMEV (Minden NV) today. Winds 24 gusting to 32, 60 degrees left crossing. Watch the fun here:

https://youtu.be/ZATIuPoLbUc

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Nice job. Made it look easy.

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Why did you slip it instead of crab? In my mind, the crab puts you in a better aerodynamic position to go around. :scratch:


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Nice job! Very impressive. In my little Lancair, left crosswinds are difficult; The weathervane effect wants to push me to the left side of the runway and my tiny little tires will flat spot if I apply the right brake too hard to counteract (when the rudder isn't enough).


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You made it look easy! I had similar winds in a 172 RG on my commercial check ride a few years ago. I remember the plane shaking like a scared dog when we got in. Thought I might get failed for poor ADM as soon as I started the engine! But I found takeoffs and landings weren't especially challenging but taxiing was not easy. Nice to know you can do it when you need to. Thanks for a great video.

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Great job Vince!


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Why did you slip it instead of crab? In my mind, the crab puts you in a better aerodynamic position to go around. :scratch:


Slipping all the way in nothing has to change, the controls are the same all the way to touchdown. Crab and kick you have to change from no slip to slip at the last second or risk skidding sideways on touchdown. Airliners crab and kick because they don't want to risk plopping down on one main.

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Slipping all the way in nothing has to change, the controls are the same all the way to touchdown.


Also, if you can't keep aligned in flight, in the slip, there is no way you can keep it aligned when you flare to land. Lets you know if there will be enough rudder authority, if you run out of rudder in flight....maybe try landing diagonally on the runway. Or another runway!

It will be uncomfortable for passengers, but you can crab most of the way then transition.

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I always thought the 177RG was the nicest flying Cessna single I've flown.


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I have always used slip to loose altitude and crab to compensate for cross wind. Never tried a slip for cross wind approach.


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If you used a crab, and kicked it out....unless you just let it blow across the runway, you probably put in the aileron and used rudder for alignment...you slipped. (maybe for a few seconds..)

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Keep in mind that some airplanes, including many (most?) Bonanzas, have limitations on the durations of slips, typically because of potential issues with fuel supply to the engine.


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It appeared to me that you had plenty more left aileron available...probably had reasonable margin left.

You did it right, that's for sure.


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The best slipped landing I ever saw was as a passenger in a Shorts. Remember those? They looked like a boxcar with skinny little wings. The pilot slipped all the way down and landed on one of the mains. As the airspeed bled off on the rollout, he lowered the other wheel to the pavement. It was awesome! (I told him so as I deplaned.)


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