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 Post subject: Re: Cessna 310L overhaul and ADSB cost
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Love my 310. I’d agree around $30k per engine is a good working number from a reputable engine shop. Make sure you find one with a side brace kit installed or plan accordingly in negotiations. Side brace kit installed is around $2k in parts and 100hrs of labor.

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 Post subject: Re: Cessna 310L overhaul and ADSB cost
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Out of the last 3 engines I've had to overhaul, two were field* overhauls, one was a factory rebuilt.

Both field overhauls were quite good, not cheapest possible. The factory overhaul was very good actually and was my best path with a non-VAR crank that Continental took back with no extra charge.

A "field" overhaul being one done by someone other than the factory.

Field overhauls include big engines shops like Triad, RAM and Western Skyways, to your local mechanic's shop.

My field overhauls were done by smaller but reputable engines shops, who primarily did engine work.

I have never heard of any issue exporting an aircraft with a field overhaul.


Larry,

I don't know what the actual definition of a "field overhaul" is, but I am talking about the "spray paint" overhaul that was mentioned earlier. This is done outside of a reputable engine shop.

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 Post subject: Re: Cessna 310L overhaul and ADSB cost
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My interpretation of field OH is where an A&P does it without shop support.

If you’re terminology includes approved maintenance organizations, then my understanding is mistaken.

There have been aircraft rejected for Canadian import if the aircraft hasn’t been maintained by approved shops.

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The C310 is a great airplane to fly. Best of all, the 310 is truly the best looking piston twin out there. If you're nostalgic you'll feel like Sky King.
The 470 engine is very strong. If it's not blowing oil all over the gear, you've got years of flying before you need an engine overhaul.

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 Post subject: Re: Cessna 310L overhaul and ADSB cost
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This is hijacking your thread and the overhaul discussion likely needs to be over in Engine Talk.

If you ask two pilots what a field overhaul is, you may get five different answers within the next 30 minutes and all five answers may be right! However, FAR 43.2 does not use the term field overhaul, new limit overhaul, service limit overhaul. It also doesn't discern between factory reman, factory remanufactured, or zero-time overhaul. The collective "we", and some clever marketing types, do that to discern between work the factory does and work everyone else does, including highly reputable shops. As it relates to overhauls, you either have rebuilt or overhaul.

Yes, may even find a few field overhauls completed and legally signed off by people that aren't A&Ps. I have a few T53 and T700s with my signature and our maintenance chief's signature out there somewhere. I love reading logs of surplus military aircraft.

After that bit of hangar flying is done, and if you are done flying for the day, grab a cold one and sit back for some opinions on SMOH, "SFRM", and SNEW.

Most of us are familiar with these articles but I will post them anyway for the new owners that hit this thread:
www.aviationconsumer.com/issues/49_5/ed ... 053-1.html
http://blog.overhaulbids.com/learning-faqs/
http://www.donmaxwell.com/publications/ ... 0Field.htm


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There are three places to get a piston aircraft engine overhauled under FAA civilian rules:

1. The factory (or its delegate in some cases).

2. An FAA-certified repair station.

3. A person holding a powerplant mechanic's license.


If it isn't done by the factory, then it is a field overhaul. While the term may make you think of a shady operation done in the back of a dark hangar, with maybe some Russians hanging around, it doesn't mean that. It simply means it was done outside the factory's auspices.

Any of the three can screw up, any of the three can do an outstanding job.

The factory can say it's overhauled because we said so.

A CRS can say it is overhauled because it was done in accordance with the manufacturer's published procedures, approved data (such as an STC) or their own FAA approved procedures.

A licensed powerplant mechanic can overhaul it in accordance with approved data. Usually the manufacturer's published manuals or perhaps, in accordance with an STC.

The FAA does define Repair, Overhaul and Rebuilt. (see Advisory Circular 43-11)


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2-If you want to sell the aircraft to another country like Canada, it will not be accepted.

please cite a specific example

I've ferried tons of planes being exported to countries that required majors to be within their manufacturer's TBO. None of them cared who did the OH, just that the book said it was done. If your contention was true, only aircraft with factory reman's would be able to be exported.


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My interpretation of field OH is where an A&P does it without shop support.

If you’re terminology includes approved maintenance organizations, then my understanding is mistaken.

There have been aircraft rejected for Canadian import if the aircraft hasn’t been maintained by approved shops.

Murray

there are only 2 types of overhauls:
1. factory (by the original manufacturer)
2. everything else

no one does an OH without "shop support". I overhauled my last travel air's engines in my garage at home but the case, crank, cam, etc etc went out to all the same places that most "engine shops" around here send those same parts to


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And to get back on track I think a round number of 100k for two engines, two props and all the trimmings and extras is a good budgetary number. You should be able to do it for that, done right by reputable folks, with some room for extras and didn’t-see-that-coming surprises.


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Guys, I’m the Avionics tech and the local mechanic who’s imported lots of airplanes will ask if the engine was overhauled by a certified overhaul organization, or in the US, an FAA repair station
If not, then that phone call or email just saved a trip to look at it.
I’m telling this forum, to educate someone who may be tempted to save money, but not realize he’s impacting the potential resale value.

Here’s a couple of links;

http://www.coastdogaviation.com/ANJnew.pdf

https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/ ... 6-2695.htm

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I’m telling this forum, to educate someone who may be tempted to save money, but not realize he’s impacting the potential resale value.

no, all you are doing is conveying the opinion of your local mechanic.


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Guys, I’m the Avionics tech and the local mechanic who’s imported lots of airplanes will ask if the engine was overhauled by a certified overhaul organization.
If not, then that phone call or email just saved a trip to look at it.
I’m telling this forum, to educate someone who may be tempted to save money, but not realize he’s impacting the potential resale value.

Here’s a couple of links;

http://www.coastdogaviation.com/ANJnew.pdf

https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/ ... 6-2695.htm

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There is no such thing as "certified overhaul organization".


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I’m telling this forum, to educate someone who may be tempted to save money, but not realize he’s impacting the potential resale value.

no, all you are doing is conveying the opinion of your local mechanic.


Hmmm, and the DER that oversees the import, and a I guess the Honourable Minister of Transport who issued MSI 26.


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I agree with JEFF, this is not true.


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2-If you want to sell the aircraft to another country like Canada, it will not be accepted.

please cite a specific example

I've ferried tons of planes being exported to countries that required majors to be within their manufacturer's TBO. None of them cared who did the OH, just that the book said it was done. If your contention was true, only aircraft with factory reman's would be able to be exported.

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I did not say factory only, but it has to be an FAA Repair Station.

Wasn’t there an AD issued years ago against a big NE overhaul facility?

Transport Canada wants traceability and approved shops.

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