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Post subject: Re: The Ultimate Pilatus PC12 Thread! Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 19:38 |
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Joined: 01/29/08 Posts: 26431 Post Likes: +13064 Location: Walterboro, SC. KRBW
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Username Protected wrote: Threads are like plants, all it takes is a dose of BS and their growth explodes. That's a good analogy. Why did you write it in green?
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Post subject: Re: The Ultimate Pilatus PC12 Thread! Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 20:02 |
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Joined: 11/22/12 Posts: 2572 Post Likes: +2330 Company: Retired Location: Lynnwood, WA (KPAE)
Aircraft: 1993 Bonanza A36TN
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Username Protected wrote: That's a good analogy. Why did you write it in green? Didn't want anyone to take it personally.
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Post subject: Re: The Ultimate Pilatus PC12 Thread! Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 23:59 |
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Joined: 01/25/15 Posts: 218 Post Likes: +191
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Username Protected wrote: It's hard to BS the merits of the PC12, it's truly an incredible airplane. If a PC24 presents itself at a reasonable price I may bite, until then, a CJ3+ or a P300 cannot beat the PC12.........can't be done.
No way I can do my X01 run for stone crabs without the PC12........Jason does not eat day old crab legs at Joe's, he wants fresh.......who am I to disagree.... The only major issue is the borderline dangerous handling characteristics of the pre-47 airframes. I still don't know how they got it certified in the first place. 47-> with the Flettner tabs is so much better.
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Post subject: Re: The Ultimate Pilatus PC12 Thread! Posted: 13 Feb 2018, 21:45 |
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Joined: 07/23/09 Posts: 1067 Post Likes: +560 Location: KSJT
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Username Protected wrote: The only major issue is the borderline dangerous handling characteristics of the pre-47 airframes. I still don't know how they got it certified in the first place. 47-> with the Flettner tabs is so much better.
Mikko, This is the first I have heard of this. I have very few hours in a legacy but can you expand on these dangerous characteristics?
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Post subject: Re: The Ultimate Pilatus PC12 Thread! Posted: 13 Feb 2018, 23:42 |
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Joined: 01/25/15 Posts: 218 Post Likes: +191
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Username Protected wrote: The only major issue is the borderline dangerous handling characteristics of the pre-47 airframes. I still don't know how they got it certified in the first place. 47-> with the Flettner tabs is so much better.
Mikko, This is the first I have heard of this. I have very few hours in a legacy but can you expand on these dangerous characteristics?
Aileron efficiency and control forces required when flying in severe turbulence at low level. You need two hands on yoke to fight that, not cool. 47-> are like a night and day compared to the non-Flettner tab versions.
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Post subject: Re: The Ultimate Pilatus PC12 Thread! Posted: 14 Feb 2018, 09:41 |
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Username Protected wrote: "Dangerous" denotes a series of accidents due to the problem don't you think?
No. Just unexpected handling qualities that are difficult to handle and if mishandled will result in an accident or incident.
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Post subject: Re: The Ultimate Pilatus PC12 Thread! Posted: 14 Feb 2018, 11:54 |
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Joined: 01/25/15 Posts: 218 Post Likes: +191
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Username Protected wrote: I've heard the legacy birds were heavy on the yoke because they didn't have flettner tabs but never heard anyone say they were "dangerous". "Dangerous" denotes a series of accidents due to the problem don't you think?
Regardless.... they haven't built a legacy model in 12 years or so..... so..... The ailerons are absurdly heavy. There's no way to use only one arm in strong gusty winds, and having to take your hand off the PCL because one arm is not enough to fight the ailerons is not good when you are low.
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