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Post subject: Re: Need purchase advice asap!  Posted: 16 Dec 2017, 16:35 |
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Joined: 10/09/12
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Location: Tonica Il
Aircraft: TBM 700
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Sorry for confusion. I have one TBM in mind I had the log books checked and are in great shape. There are no deferred items. I have had outside help to look at logbooks. It is just out of a extensive annual. No hours since. I have done my due diligence on this particular plane. All that is left is settle on a price. Maybe I just got a tick of pre buyers remorse. It has been maintained at one the most reputable shops in the states. So Im not just pointing at one on controller and buying. Weighing last minute ideas in case i missed something. Thanks guys
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Post subject: Re: Need purchase advice asap! Posted: 16 Dec 2017, 16:43 |
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Joined: 10/09/12
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Location: Tonica Il
Aircraft: TBM 700
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Sorry gentlemen I posted then computer crashed. I thought I rewrote it the same way. I meant to say if I dont buy this particular TBM, I would have to completely start over. I know I won’t be able to buy anything different from a TBM this year. This particular plane I have researched for 2-3 months now.
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Post subject: Re: Need purchase advice asap! Posted: 16 Dec 2017, 16:44 |
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Location: KIKK......Kankakee, Illinois
Aircraft: TBM 850
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I went thru this same evaluation several years ago. I bought a TBM. No second thoughts. I initially bought a 700 C2. Just traded up to a G1000 850. Great plane for my missions.
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Post subject: Re: Need purchase advice asap! Posted: 16 Dec 2017, 17:00 |
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Joined: 12/24/09
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Company: Desert Air Inc.
Location: Phoenix, AZ (KDVT)
Aircraft: 1982 King Air 90
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Username Protected wrote: Sorry for confusion. I have one TBM in mind I had the log books checked and are in great shape. There are no deferred items. I have had outside help to look at logbooks. It is just out of a extensive annual. No hours since. I have done my due diligence on this particular plane. All that is left is settle on a price. Maybe I just got a tick of pre buyers remorse. It has been maintained at one the most reputable shops in the states. So Im not just pointing at one on controller and buying. Weighing last minute ideas in case i missed something. Thanks guys Compared to the 58P, the TBM will be a significant "stepup". They are great airplanes. RM
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Post subject: Re: Need purchase advice asap! Posted: 16 Dec 2017, 22:02 |
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Aircraft: C560, Extra NG, FX3
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Username Protected wrote: How much bigger is the King Air cabin than the 441? Assuming we're just talking about the 90 series it's quite a bit. Noticeably larger, easier to move around, airier, etc.
Must never have been inside a 441 cabin: The 441 has a rather large front baggage area, large enough for 10 people’s baggage when I flew 10 nonstop from Ksdl to Cancun. The 90 and 200 Cabin’s are narrower, the 441 is wider. Hence easier to move between seats on the 441. If you like tall and narrow, the 90 is the plane. If you like wider and much longer with seating for 11, the 441 is better.
I take mine on ski trips all over, and this would be difficult in a King Air or single without wing lockers, the FAA does ramp checks sometimes to make sure emergence egress is not impeded by skis in-between the cabin seats. Front baggage is also large enough for snowboards...
The newer 90’s are up to around 1000 lbs heavier, less payload, smaller overall cabin, less fuel, slower by 40 to 80 knots, burns more fuel per hour, and maybe 50% more per NM.
No comparison
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Post subject: Re: Need purchase advice asap! Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 01:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: Conquest I fuel burn at FL260: 400 pph @ 263 KTAS (source: my airplane) TBM700 fuel burn at FL260: 364 pph @ 300 KTAS (source: http://www.caijets.com/tbm/cost.htm) Conquest II fuel burn at FL260: 536 pph @ 314 ktas (source -10 AFMS) Conquest II fuel burn at FL350: 372 pph @ 306 ktas (source -10 AFMS) MU-2M -10 equipped fuel burn at FL280: 435 pph @ 290 ktas (source: my plane) Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Need purchase advice asap! Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 01:59 |
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Aircraft: C560, Extra NG, FX3
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This is the data from the flight manual with the 331-10 engines. Anyone have a C90 or 200 to post for comparison  Attachment: E839C77B-F223-447B-8C3D-A6293053D1E2.png
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Post subject: Re: Need purchase advice asap! Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 02:01 |
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Aircraft: C560, Extra NG, FX3
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And where we normally fly, ISA +10 and +20 Attachment: 8713EC2C-673A-49E1-A720-5B8662102C79.png
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Post subject: Re: Need purchase advice asap! Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 10:33 |
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Username Protected wrote:
Must never have been inside a 441 cabine
No comparison
But I have. I've flown and flown in both. And I stand by my observation but I think you've made a great point about the Cessna oval cabin. If I were choosing between the two I'd choose the 441 for it's speed, altitude capability (with RVSM), range and economics.
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Post subject: Re: Need purchase advice asap! Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 11:22 |
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Location: CMB7, Ottawa, Canada
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Ryan,
Get the TBM you wont regret it.
As much as I like the KA, they are slow and burn a lot of fuel. Its a truck.
The Conquest are old, there is a reason why Cessna dont build them anymore.
You didnt talk about operating cost and mx as the TBM will be the lowest of the 3.
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