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 Post subject: Re: What's the best $60k trainer?
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Partly depends on how many flight hours these guys already have. If you have several pilots trying to jam a thousand hours each on an old $60k twin, there are gonna be a lot of pricey MX issues along the way. Or almost certainly. Not so much with a complex hi performance single. Or, not as much.

I owned a Cutlass [172RG] for ten years and had it in a flight school where I taught and used it [along with everyone else] for commercial/CFI training. TBO 2000 hr. and we went through three engines during that time. All went over TBO, but a couple of IO470s on an old twin would cost many times what the Cutlass engine did.

Now, if these guys only need a few hundred hours apiece, maybe different story, I don't now. Depends on the "old twin."


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 Post subject: Re: What's the best $60k trainer?
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Not sure what you thinking put I have been looking at IFR 172 for my daughters to learn to fly in. If thinking something at Nampa let me know maybe we can partner in something. Sounds like you already have a group but would love to discuss.


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I'll let ya know how it goes sir.


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 Post subject: Re: What's the best $60k trainer?
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182RG might be a decent one?
Lycoming and has enough power to operate in the mountain areas in summer.

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Are you going to get a decent 182RG for $60k?


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Are you going to get a decent 182RG for $60k?

Perhaps, in that ballpark.
No?

I see them *listed* for mid-high $60s to $150k.
I have them insured for $60k up to $155k!

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For the mission described: Mooney. Will run rings around the Arrow and tough as a two dollar steak.

I'm prejudiced: never flew but one airplane I liked less than the Arrow. :thumbdown:

No, wait :scratch: , make that two.

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Having owned a school that took quite a few rotary wing folks through military competency and transitioned them to fixed wing, this is my suggestion:

Call around to some of the schools near Army bases heavy with rotors. Additionally, call a few of the twin schools. There is a good chance that you could negotiate block time in several aircraft including a twin to build some AMEL time in, let them deal with any surprise maintenance, and not have to try and sell a plane when a 121, 135, or 91k operation offers you a sweet deal. The other sad irony is that you could pick up a good early model TravelAir with mid-time almost bulletproof Lycoming O-360 engines for just a smidge over $60k, fly the pants off of it while sipping 6GPH per side with the engines pulled back. As much as I love the TravelAir I also love the Twin Comanche and there a few more of them out there. One of my loves when I worked for Gulfstream was the GA-7 Cougar; only about 40% of the 190 built are still flying and parts can be are hard to find. Though I would not consider it a trainer, flying the AA-5B Tiger, with the canopy slid back a few inches with my CFI grinning, was a really neat experience. ...but as much as I love the Twin Comanche and Comanche 250, I am NOT a fan of the forward CG and weight limits in the Arrow.

As much as you love your buddies, this does not tie you down into aircraft ownership AND owning a potential hangar queen with friends is a good way to lose a friendship.

Yes, that school might make 10% on the block rate but your money could be sitting in the stock market appreciating as long as it keeps going up.

Good luck!


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