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Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850 Posted: 04 Oct 2020, 10:57 |
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Joined: 06/23/09 Posts: 2300 Post Likes: +707 Location: KIKK......Kankakee, Illinois
Aircraft: TBM 850
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I’m just curious. Guys who have jumped from the 850 to the 900 series......what are your likes/dislikes? How much “real world numbers” increase in performance have you seen?
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Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850 Posted: 04 Oct 2020, 14:10 |
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Joined: 09/01/12 Posts: 127 Post Likes: +79 Location: Fargo, ND
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Username Protected wrote: I'm surprised at the maintenance numbers quoted here. I manage and fly a 2009 PC12NG and the numbers have been about half what's been stated here for the TBM. Annuals with a "do everything" approach have been around 35k. The only things that have broke have been with the avionics which are covered under HAPP warranty at 18k /yr. Other than that it's just oil, tires and fuel. I have high MX costs the last 3 years but all due to calendar and times related . Biggies: Landing Gear, Actuators, Starter-gen, hyd power pack, propeller, HSI, some shop time intensive inspections....which will not be due again for 84-120 more months. I expect this years MX costs to be in the ~$75/hour or less range flying 180 hours.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850 Posted: 04 Oct 2020, 17:59 |
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Username Protected wrote: The cockpit of the M600 does seem a little wider. The Meridian screens are smaller. 10" vs 12" (I think) for the TBM.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850 Posted: 04 Oct 2020, 20:27 |
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Joined: 08/16/15 Posts: 2899 Post Likes: +3608 Location: Ogden UT
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Username Protected wrote: The cockpit of the M600 does seem a little wider. The Meridian screens are smaller. 10" vs 12" (I think) for the TBM.
No. Screens are the same
_________________ Chuck Ivester Piper M600 Ogden UT
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Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850 Posted: 05 Oct 2020, 08:59 |
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Joined: 05/30/17 Posts: 198 Post Likes: +159
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Correct. All the G3000 screens are the same size across aircraft types, to my knowledge. The Meridian/M600 cabin is a couple inches wider than the TBM, but the TBM cabin is a couple inches taller.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850 Posted: 05 Oct 2020, 10:56 |
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Joined: 09/23/14 Posts: 646 Post Likes: +356 Location: New Jersey, KSMQ
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So everyone is on the same page when making comparisons to the M600-- Because the 850 has been around longer, an older one can be acquired for substantially less than an M600. ($1.4-2.6 for TBMs and $2.0-3.0 for M600). There is a crossover point. The older ones are likely going to require more maintenance. A new 900 series comes with 5 years of maintenance and annual inspections. A new TBM is substantially more than a new M600. The M600 has been around since 2017. It is a completely different airplane, IMO, than the Meridian.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850 Posted: 06 Oct 2020, 13:59 |
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Joined: 10/11/10 Posts: 914 Post Likes: +336 Location: Lincoln Park, NJ
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Therein lies my dilemma. I can probably afford to sell my A36 and move up to to an old TBM for about 1 Mill. but I can't afford the maintenance. I could afford the maintenance on the M600 but can't afford the 2.4 mill price for a used one. If only you could put tip tanks on an M500 life would be sweet ( I would need the extra 150 NM to go nonstop on my flights).
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Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850 Posted: 06 Oct 2020, 15:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: Therein lies my dilemma. I can probably afford to sell my A36 and move up to to an old TBM for about 1 Mill. but I can't afford the maintenance. I could afford the maintenance on the M600 but can't afford the 2.4 mill price for a used one. If only you could put tip tanks on an M500 life would be sweet ( I would need the extra 150 NM to go nonstop on my flights). The whole cost of capitalization versus cost of actual ownership thing has really baffled me for a long time. When I moved from my late model Meridian into my Mustang, it was just under 200k, which is just mind boggling when you tangibly compare what you are getting. Cost of ownership.....ya that makes more sense. To move into the M600 or the 850 at the time, I was looking at another roughly 800k to 1 Mil. I figured that gave me 8 years or so at Fl 41k in the Mustang until it evened out. Wouldn’t have it any other way for my 1000nm commute. No brainer for me.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850 Posted: 08 Oct 2020, 15:50 |
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Joined: 06/28/09 Posts: 14152 Post Likes: +9098 Location: Walnut Creek, CA (KCCR)
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Username Protected wrote: so what does a mid-time Mustang go for? what were the production years? 2007-2016... you can pickup a nice early one for 1-1.2m
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Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850 Posted: 10 Oct 2021, 21:15 |
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Joined: 05/23/08 Posts: 6059 Post Likes: +703 Location: CMB7, Ottawa, Canada
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Flight from Key West to Windsor for customs last week. 1100 nm in 4.2. Landed with 90 gallons of fuel.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850 Posted: 10 Oct 2021, 23:35 |
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Joined: 06/23/09 Posts: 2300 Post Likes: +707 Location: KIKK......Kankakee, Illinois
Aircraft: TBM 850
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Marc……..winds must have been kind. Great trip
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