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 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
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Anyone know of a legacy 850 for sale or 700C2?

See this thread Aircraft inventory levels are critically low. Your question is also common amongst prospective owner members of TBMOPA. Avex has a buyer rep program where Danielle will call current owners across the fleet trying to shake loose an off-market plane. It's expensive but might be the right move in this market.

I've been watching the 850 listings on Controller since I closed on mine in September, there have typically been only 1-2 listed in North America at a time in the last 8 months.

I have a friend with a C2 that considered selling for what seems like an absurd sum but, like me, he doesn't want to sit on the sidelines for 12-18 months waiting for the market to normalize. Instead he is going to repaint his bird.

The 35-50% ROI in less than a year is appealing though...


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 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
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How much faster do you think the 960 will be vs. the M600?[/quote]

I have a TBM 900 and a M600 and the 900 is a 320 KTS true and the 600 is a 275 KTS true at normal cruise so my 900 is 45 KTS faster and burns about 15 GPH more.


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 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
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How much faster do you think the 960 will be vs. the M600?


I have a TBM 900 and a M600 and the 900 is a 320 KTS true and the 600 is a 275 KTS true at normal cruise so my 900 is 45 KTS faster and burns about 15 GPH more.[/quote]

Kind of depends on how you run the engine. If you run the M600 by torque it is a little slower than that maybe 265 on average. If you run it by allowed ITT, it is as fast as a TBM 700 at lower fuel flow. We see 280+ running ITT but don’t run our engine that hard. The belief being cheapr hot sections and overhauls?? The M600 is faster and climbs better in IMC and icing than a TBM 700, since there is no inertial separator penalty. But even in the 900 series, 45-60 knot differences in speed isn’t as big a factor as you would think in the real world anyway. Preflght delays, ATC delays, passenger delays are all bigger factors in real world travel times ;-). But the M600 is still relatively slow. However it is the least expensive new modern turbine that does what it does. Compromises.

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
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My M600 is always 8-12 KTS above book at normal cruise and the TBM at high cruise is at least 6 KTS below book.The difference on a 500 NM trip is 10-12 minutes and 20 gallons of fuel.


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Here is a very cold day in the M600 at -43C at FL250 the book would be 268KTS but it was actually 284 KTS at 330 PPH.


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