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Marc,

I was about to create the "Ultimate TBM Thread" and then I found this!

Thanks for sharing!

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
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Would any of you guys who've owned these care to describe the changes in each model from the 700 on up? A shopper's guide, if you will?

Beautiful airplanes, y'all.

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
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Would any of you guys who've owned these care to describe the changes in each model from the 700 on up? A shopper's guide, if you will?

Beautiful airplanes, y'all.


Jack,
Two ways the first has costs (3-$350) joining TBMOPA which gives you access to soo much info including POH’s, review of all the posts made by owners about flying and maintaining their birds. Easiest/cheapest way to look at the different models I think is to use this web site. https://www.newavex.com

I would not recommend buying from them but the tools for comparison are all at this site. After you review let us know if you have specific questions. Good hunting. Love flying the TBM.

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Would any of you guys who've owned these care to describe the changes in each model from the 700 on up? A shopper's guide, if you will?

Beautiful airplanes, y'all.


Jack,
Two ways the first has costs (3-$350) joining TBMOPA which gives you access to soo much info including POH’s, review of all the posts made by owners about flying and maintaining their birds. Easiest/cheapest way to look at the different models I think is to use this web site. https://www.newavex.com

I would not recommend buying from them but the tools for comparison are all at this site. After you review let us know if you have specific questions. Good hunting. Love flying the TBM.



Jeez, thanks Chuck. Really.
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This reference too.

Full fuel useful load and range/$ is what swayed me.


http://www.tbm.aero/products/tbm-700/


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I bought my C2 last September and it has exceeded my expectations. It is just an awesome airplane.


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The Daher Airplane Business Unit delivered a total of 57 TBM 910s and TBM 930s to owners and operators during the year, underscoring the very fast turboprop aircraft’s continued success since the Daher group’s takeover in 2009, reinforced by the TBM 900-series introduction in 2014.

TBM deliveries in 2017 were divided between the TBM 910 version (launched in April 2017, equipped with Garmin’s G1000 NXi all-glass avionics suite controlled by a physical keypad), and the TBM 930 (initiated in 2016, featuring Garmin’s G3000 flight deck with touchscreen-controlled glass flight deck).

North America remained the lead market for TBM aircraft with 47 aircraft. Europe was in a solid no. 2 position for the second consecutive year with 10 deliveries in 2017 for France, Germany, United Kingdom, and Poland

Since the TBM’s market entry in 1990, 879 aircraft have been built in all versions, including earlier-production TBM 700s and TBM 850s.

“The 2017 results confirm the continued appeal of our very fast turboprop for the owner-pilot population, with TBM 910s and TBM 930s acquired by current TBM owners and new customers alike,” commented Nicolas Chabbert, Senior Vice President of the Daher Airplane Business Unit.

He added that in addition to the TBM’s high-speed cruise and excellent range, the service offered through Daher’s TBM Support Network – in particular, the coverage supplied with the TBM Care Program (TCP) – provides advantages in clients’ choice of the very fast turboprop aircraft. “As one of our customers wrote us: with Daher’s support strategy, there always is a solution,” Chabbert concluded.

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This reference too.

Full fuel useful load and range/$ is what swayed me.

http://www.tbm.aero/products/tbm-700/


Thanks - this site's quick blurb on each model is helpful. I see a nice looking A pop up from time to time - opinions on that version?

Summer field trip plans include getting my wife up in one. There are a few nearby to show her.

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Would any of you guys who've owned these care to describe the changes in each model from the 700 on up? A shopper's guide, if you will?

Beautiful airplanes, y'all.


Jack,
Two ways the first has costs (3-$350) joining TBMOPA which gives you access to soo much info including POH’s, review of all the posts made by owners about flying and maintaining their birds. Easiest/cheapest way to look at the different models I think is to use this web site. https://www.newavex.com

I would not recommend buying from them but the tools for comparison are all at this site. After you review let us know if you have specific questions. Good hunting. Love flying the TBM.


Excellent, thanks Chuck. The site is great. I'll look at joining.
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"Thanks - this site's quick blurb on each model is helpful. I see a nice looking A pop up from time to time - opinions on that version?"


The A is a good entry level TBM from a cost standpoint and the lack of big door and lower useful load reduces demand and price. It just depends on your mission.

Useful load is lower than the C2. I haul a lot of stuff and people so full fuel useful load (1100lbs) is important to me.

The A has a piper malibu clamshell style door v the 42 inch B model door.

TBMs are expensive to repair. If you are looking to buy one make sure you get a prebuy inspection from a TBM shop, hopefully not the one selling the aircraft. Know which inspections are coming up. The C+ inspection is the most expensive. Know the market and make sure your price for that plane is fair.

My observation is that there is great disparity in speeds in the 700. Mine does 300 at 310. Others temp out at 270. Maybe rigging or engine differences?

RVSM capability has turned out to be a real asset for me. Try to get one that is set up for that.

The A model is a TBM. Its an awesome machine at the very least.


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I pulled the TBM 700 performance data and weight and balance data to see if it would work for my mission. It does.....barely. My problem is that I fly into a 4,000 ft caliche ranch runway for more than half of my flights. Caliche is a hard surface with loose rocks. A friend of mine who owns TBM 700 s/n 001 says would not fly into loose rocks under any circumstance. His concern was the boots and not fod in the engine. Caliche is hard on props-no run ups or reverse and ease in full power slowly on the roll.


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I forgot to add my question: Would the TBM owners fly in to my runway with loose rocks?


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Nope. Prop is really close to the ground. Inertial separator would probably deflect from the engine but 100%? Not sure. You would not want to use beta because of intake, gear, boots etc. Brakes are really expensive so we do not use them as primary for slowing down. Flaps are barn doors and wheels can pepper them w fod rolling out.


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I forgot to add my question: Would the TBM owners fly in to my runway with loose rocks?

Just pave it over, compared to TBM price it will be cheap change and well spent.

(I've seen a quote last year to top cover existing 25x3000ft runway and it was in the $20k range)


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