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Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850 Posted: 01 Feb 2018, 05:25 |
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Joined: 02/13/10 Posts: 20129 Post Likes: +23629 Location: Castle Rock, Colorado
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Username Protected wrote: TBM drivers, please take a look at my cost estimator and shoot holes in it. So far it has held true but I probably am light on the reserve for breakage. I have included my old Mirage historical costs for comparison. For many reasons, I have never initiated such an effort for any of my planes...
_________________ Arlen Get your motor runnin' Head out on the highway - Mars Bonfire
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Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850 Posted: 01 Feb 2018, 19:58 |
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Joined: 08/16/15 Posts: 2899 Post Likes: +3609 Location: Ogden UT
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Paul, it looks pretty good for what I would expect. A couple of things I did not see, that you may have accounted for elsewhere would be hot section inspection if the plane is pre HSI, and then ramp fees. Depending on where you fly, you will see a big difference on ramp and away hangar fees for a turbine. Doesn't make sense to me, and I try to negotiate when I can with limited success. They will ask what kind of plane do you have. I will say PA46. Then they say, Oh is that the piston or the turbine What if I said piston?... that would be $25, well what if it burns Jet A?... Well then that is $100 or 50 versus 200... Get the point? Sometimes I will just say you know it has the same footprint as a Mirage. If the manager is not looking, and I smile real nice-like, I can sometimes get the piston rate.
_________________ Chuck Ivester Piper M600 Ogden UT
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Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850 Posted: 01 Feb 2018, 20:10 |
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Joined: 09/01/12 Posts: 127 Post Likes: +79 Location: Fargo, ND
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Username Protected wrote: For many reasons, I have never initiated such an effort for any of my planes... I am with Arlen.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850 Posted: 01 Feb 2018, 20:33 |
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Joined: 10/11/13 Posts: 895 Post Likes: +713 Location: Wake Forest, NC
Aircraft: Malibu,Husky,TBM7C2
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Username Protected wrote: Paul, it looks pretty good for what I would expect. A couple of things I did not see, that you may have accounted for elsewhere would be hot section inspection if the plane is pre HSI, and then ramp fees. Depending on where you fly, you will see a big difference on ramp and away hangar fees for a turbine. Doesn't make sense to me, and I try to negotiate when I can with limited success. They will ask what kind of plane do you have. I will say PA46. Then they say, Oh is that the piston or the turbine What if I said piston?... that would be $25, well what if it burns Jet A?... Well then that is $100 or 50 versus 200... Get the point? Sometimes I will just say you know it has the same footprint as a Mirage. If the manager is not looking, and I smile real nice-like, I can sometimes get the piston rate. Yeah that ramp fee thing. TBM is a little more at some airports. Hard to quantify except historically. Being a CAA member pretty much makes them equal at participating airports.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850 Posted: 02 Feb 2018, 19:24 |
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Joined: 08/10/14 Posts: 1734 Post Likes: +832 Location: Northwest Arkansas (KVBT)
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Username Protected wrote: Yeah that ramp fee thing. TBM is a little more at some airports. Hard to quantify except historically. Being a CAA member pretty much makes them equal at participating airports. Maybe Mike B. could quantify it by crunching some numbers from his rampfee.me data. This is a (un?)fair variable expense to consider in stepping up to a turbine.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850 Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 11:27 |
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Joined: 07/04/11 Posts: 1712 Post Likes: +242 Company: W. John Gadd, Esq. Location: Florida
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Username Protected wrote: AVIONICS SHOPS I've never done a fancy upgrade. But even the basic WAAS addition and the occasional comm or audio issue or txp issue has always been frustrating. The amount of bs, lies and excuses is never ending with avionics shops. Missing data base cards, delays. Misdirection, not to mention pricing shenanigans never ends. I've know guys who paid big money to have major upgrades and have the plane returned with many items inop. I'd agree--better to buy one upgraded than to have to deal with the hassle.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850 Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 11:35 |
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Joined: 06/08/12 Posts: 12587 Post Likes: +5181 Company: Mayo Clinic Location: Rochester, MN
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Username Protected wrote: AVIONICS SHOPS I've never done a fancy upgrade. But even the basic WAAS addition and the occasional comm or audio issue or txp issue has always been frustrating. The amount of bs, lies and excuses is never ending with avionics shops. Missing data base cards, delays. Misdirection, not to mention pricing shenanigans never ends. I've know guys who paid big money to have major upgrades and have the plane returned with many items inop. I'd agree--better to buy one upgraded than to have to deal with the hassle.
Hmmmmm, have you tried JA in Aurora? Never any of these issues. How about that large avionics outfit in Florida that always advertises those great deals? Sarasota I believe? Would not be in business 5his long if they did those things.
_________________ BFR 8/18; IPC 8/18
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Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850 Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 13:18 |
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Joined: 11/08/12 Posts: 6324 Post Likes: +3811 Location: San Carlos, CA - KHWD
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Username Protected wrote: I think the problem with avionics shops is that the major installs take a long time and are very hard work. ... Tough job, but from what I hear, delays, squawks and over-budget are the norm, not the exception. In my anecdotal observation, the people who usually have the worst stories to tell about avionics installs are the same people who shopped around for the absolute lowest price and then badgered even a little more out of that turnip before complaining they didn’t get a perfect installation and fast turnaround. Saving that last penny doesn’t always result in actually saving... there are good shops around.
_________________ -Jon C.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850 Posted: 07 Feb 2018, 02:09 |
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Joined: 12/17/13 Posts: 6359 Post Likes: +5544 Location: Hollywood, Los Angeles, CA
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Username Protected wrote: I think the problem with avionics shops is that the major installs take a long time and are very hard work. Invariably, someone show up at the door with an easy install or an AOG emergency, and resources are taken from your aircraft to do that easy or urgent job. Not to mention that with the complexity, even testing on the ground won't always uncover the innumerable ways that equipment can interact. Tough job, but from what I hear, delays, squawks and over-budget are the norm, not the exception. You ain't wrong, Charles. My "3 month" comprehensive installation took closer to 9 months, and had tons of squawks I'm still chasing.
_________________ Problem is the intelligent people are full of doubt, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850 Posted: 07 Feb 2018, 10:12 |
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Joined: 06/23/09 Posts: 2300 Post Likes: +707 Location: KIKK......Kankakee, Illinois
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JA always did a great job. AVEX always did a great job. Both these vendors maybe a little higher .......in my mind well worth it!
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