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 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
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As far as the gear actuators, they are 2 basic models one with a 7 years, the other with a 10 years overhaul limit. These are identified via part numbers. 10 years actuators came on new aircraft around 2008-2009.
If the 10 year actuators can be used in place of the 7 year actuators, then I presume all the 7 year actuators in service have been replaced with 10 year ones by now?


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 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
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Tell us about baggage.

How many normal sized suitcases can you fit? How difficult to load with and without large door? How do ramp and hangar fees differ from, say, a King Air?


You thinking???

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
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Marc,

Being based in Canada, you already stated that you can't forego the 3600 TBO on the PT6. What about licensing? Are you exercising your exemption from 604 regulations (and the accompanying obligations of having an approved maintenance manual, organizational chart, SMS, etc.) because the aircraft is certified for six seats? What happens with the newer TBMs that have a thitd seat belt squished in the rear?

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
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Not really the case as the it cost more to overhaul them to 10 year vs 7 year status.


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As far as the gear actuators, they are 2 basic models one with a 7 years, the other with a 10 years overhaul limit. These are identified via part numbers. 10 years actuators came on new aircraft around 2008-2009.
If the 10 year actuators can be used in place of the 7 year actuators, then I presume all the 7 year actuators in service have been replaced with 10 year ones by now?

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
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Alan,

Yes the TBM is exempt from the 604 regulations as its 6 passengers seats or less but not from the approved maintenance program as its a requirement for all turbine pressurized aircraft in Canada.

That is the way I operate mine but we are restricted to FL280. No RVSM unless you are on a POC.

There is no such thing as a 7 seat TBM and if there was you would still be ok as its under 6 passengers seats.



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Marc,

Being based in Canada, you already stated that you can't forego the 3600 TBO on the PT6. What about licensing? Are you exercising your exemption from 604 regulations (and the accompanying obligations of having an approved maintenance manual, organizational chart, SMS, etc.) because the aircraft is certified for six seats? What happens with the newer TBMs that have a thitd seat belt squished in the rear?

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Landing at Bourdon International !

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Here is another approach & landing in my previous 700C2 @ my farm CMB7.

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
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When I was researching the TBM one of the things I really thought about was the pilot door. As I read comments, particularly on TBMOPA, I read a fair number of complaints about the door being cold in flight. In fact, Avex has come up with an insulation kit to address that complaint. I also talked to several owners who said they not only preferred no door but wouldn't buy an airframe with one.

I demoed a plane with a pilot door, and like many airplanes, found it awkward to get in and out of until I "figured it out". Then it was easy.

I ultimately decided that I wanted a pilot door if I could find a plane that was otherwise acceptable because I thought it would be much easier to get in and out of with passengers. Luckily, I was able to buy a plane that had one.

My experience is that the door isn't any colder than the right hand bulkhead and neither is cold. I don't have the aftermarket insulation. This option is one of my favorite things about the plane. It makes getting in up front easy and convenient. No squeezing past passengers, or doing some contorted shuffle as you must in others. It also allows for flow through ventilation of the cabin during ground stops in hot weather which keeps the cabin from getting too hot. It makes buckling into the pilot's seat easier in my opinion. It is also an additional safety feature with another point of egress in an emergency.

I'm now in the camp that I wouldn't buy another TBM without a pilot door. In talking to the salesman for Elliott Aviation, a TBM distributor, he said they now order all their planes with the door. It's a standard feature on the 900 series but it can be deleted. He said they never do.

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I agree Tony with all you said about the pilot door.

My previous 700C2 didnt have it and I made sure to have the pilot door on my 2013 850.
You dont really miss it until you have it then you would not buy another TBM without it.

I fly a lot by myself and I use the front compartment for my bagage and use the pilot door only and wont even open the big cargo door.




Here is some pics of the door and entry.



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When I was researching the TBM one of the things I really thought about was the pilot door. As I read comments, particularly on TBMOPA, I read a fair number of complaints about the door being cold in flight. In fact, Avex has come up with an insulation kit to address that complaint. I also talked to several owners who said they not only preferred no door but wouldn't buy an airframe with one.

I demoed a plane with a pilot door, and like many airplanes, found it awkward to get in and out of until I "figured it out". Then it was easy.

I ultimately decided that I wanted a pilot door if I could find a plane that was otherwise acceptable because I thought it would be much easier to get in and out of with passengers. Luckily, I was able to buy a plane that had one.

My experience is that the door isn't any colder than the right hand bulkhead and neither is cold. I don't have the aftermarket insulation. This option is one of my favorite things about the plane. It makes getting in up front easy and convenient. No squeezing past passengers, or doing some contorted shuffle as you must in others. It also allows for flow through ventilation of the cabin during ground stops in hot weather which keeps the cabin from getting too hot. It makes buckling into the pilot's seat easier in my opinion. It is also an additional safety feature with another point of egress in an emergency.

I'm now in the camp that I wouldn't buy another TBM without a pilot door. In talking to the salesman for Elliott Aviation, a TBM distributor, he said they now order all their planes with the door. It's a standard feature on the 900 series but it can be deleted. He said they never do.


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Marc, looks like a space shuttle launch, just that you're facing the wrong way!!!

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Yes not sure how to fix that but when you press on the pics they show ok?



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Marc, looks like a space shuttle launch, just that you're facing the wrong way!!!

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they show fine, sexy looking cockpit that!!!

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Marc,

I notice that you have a pocket in your door which isn't there on my 2007 model. That's a nice addition.

How do you like the QR mount for iPad on the yoke? I've got one but have never used it as I seem to like setting the iPad on the floor between the seats when I'm not using. Does it make it difficult to enter information in that spot or cause any limit in yoke travel?

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I have my iPad on the yoke and really like it there. But I don’t have G1000 so maybe that’s why I want it more centrally located in my vision. I use an iPad Pro and the pencil (with palm rejection technology) is awesome for taking notes, writing clearances, etc.

I notice a wire on Marc’s column, so wondering if he has a different mount - my power comes off the light circuit for the yoke “plate” light.

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Marc,

I notice that you have a pocket in your door which isn't there on my 2007 model. That's a nice addition.

How do you like the QR mount for iPad on the yoke? I've got one but have never used it as I seem to like setting the iPad on the floor between the seats when I'm not using. Does it make it difficult to enter information in that spot or cause any limit in yoke travel?


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