banner
banner

29 Mar 2024, 07:50 [ UTC - 5; DST ]


Concorde Battery (banner)



Reply to topic  [ 611 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 ... 41  Next
Username Protected Message
 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
PostPosted: 01 Feb 2018, 05:25 
Offline


User avatar
 Profile




Joined: 02/13/10
Posts: 20104
Post Likes: +23514
Location: Castle Rock, Colorado
Aircraft: Prior C310,BE33,SR22
Username Protected wrote:
TBM drivers, please take a look at my cost estimator and shoot holes in it. So far it has held true but I probably am light on the reserve for breakage. I have included my old Mirage historical costs for comparison.

:bugeye:
For many reasons, I have never initiated such an effort for any of my planes...

_________________
Arlen
Get your motor runnin'
Head out on the highway
- Mars Bonfire


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
PostPosted: 01 Feb 2018, 07:04 
Offline


User avatar
 Profile




Joined: 10/11/13
Posts: 889
Post Likes: +697
Location: Raleigh, NC
Aircraft: Malibu,Husky,TBM7C2
Prop overhaul is a reserve for every 5 years. Expect about 12k for it. $10K annual at LHZ w James Aeronautics a NC Daher certified shop. It will be more if C+ inspection is included. I bought my plane w a fresh C+. P


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
PostPosted: 01 Feb 2018, 19:58 
Offline


User avatar
 Profile




Joined: 08/16/15
Posts: 2868
Post Likes: +3578
Location: Ogden UT
Aircraft: Piper M600
Paul, it looks pretty good for what I would expect. A couple of things I did not see, that you may have accounted for elsewhere would be hot section inspection if the plane is pre HSI, and then ramp fees. Depending on where you fly, you will see a big difference on ramp and away hangar fees for a turbine. Doesn't make sense to me, and I try to negotiate when I can with limited success. They will ask what kind of plane do you have. I will say PA46. Then they say, Oh is that the piston or the turbine :sad: What if I said piston?... that would be $25, well what if it burns Jet A?... Well then that is $100 or 50 versus 200... Get the point? Sometimes I will just say you know it has the same footprint as a Mirage. If the manager is not looking, and I smile real nice-like, I can sometimes get the piston rate.

_________________
Chuck Ivester
Piper M600
Ogden UT


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
PostPosted: 01 Feb 2018, 20:10 
Online


 Profile




Joined: 09/01/12
Posts: 127
Post Likes: +79
Location: Fargo, ND
Aircraft: SR22T Stearman
Username Protected wrote:
For many reasons, I have never initiated such an effort for any of my planes...
I am with Arlen. :pilot:


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
PostPosted: 01 Feb 2018, 20:33 
Offline


User avatar
 Profile




Joined: 10/11/13
Posts: 889
Post Likes: +697
Location: Raleigh, NC
Aircraft: Malibu,Husky,TBM7C2
Username Protected wrote:
Paul, it looks pretty good for what I would expect. A couple of things I did not see, that you may have accounted for elsewhere would be hot section inspection if the plane is pre HSI, and then ramp fees. Depending on where you fly, you will see a big difference on ramp and away hangar fees for a turbine. Doesn't make sense to me, and I try to negotiate when I can with limited success. They will ask what kind of plane do you have. I will say PA46. Then they say, Oh is that the piston or the turbine :sad: What if I said piston?... that would be $25, well what if it burns Jet A?... Well then that is $100 or 50 versus 200... Get the point? Sometimes I will just say you know it has the same footprint as a Mirage. If the manager is not looking, and I smile real nice-like, I can sometimes get the piston rate.


Yeah that ramp fee thing. TBM is a little more at some airports. Hard to quantify except historically. Being a CAA member pretty much makes them equal at participating airports.


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
PostPosted: 01 Feb 2018, 22:34 
Offline


User avatar
 Profile




Joined: 12/30/15
Posts: 1697
Post Likes: +1712
Location: Charlotte
Aircraft: Avanti-Citabria
Is CAA accepted at Monroe,NC (EQY)

Monroe, La (MLU)

My current thirsty one drinks the LL variety,

IFIN she does not behave the TBM bug will get stronger

_________________
I wanna go phastR.....and slowR


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
PostPosted: 02 Feb 2018, 08:31 
Offline


User avatar
 Profile




Joined: 10/11/13
Posts: 889
Post Likes: +697
Location: Raleigh, NC
Aircraft: Malibu,Husky,TBM7C2
Neither, sorry.


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
PostPosted: 02 Feb 2018, 19:24 
Offline


User avatar
 WWW  Profile




Joined: 08/10/14
Posts: 1730
Post Likes: +828
Location: Northwest Arkansas (KVBT)
Aircraft: TBM850
Username Protected wrote:
Yeah that ramp fee thing. TBM is a little more at some airports. Hard to quantify except historically. Being a CAA member pretty much makes them equal at participating airports.

Maybe Mike B. could quantify it by crunching some numbers from his rampfee.me data. This is a (un?)fair variable expense to consider in stepping up to a turbine.


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
PostPosted: 04 Feb 2018, 11:27 
Offline


 WWW  Profile




Joined: 07/04/11
Posts: 1712
Post Likes: +242
Company: W. John Gadd, Esq.
Location: Florida
Aircraft: C55 Baron
Username Protected wrote:
AVIONICS SHOPS :sad:



I've never done a fancy upgrade. But even the basic WAAS addition and the occasional comm or audio issue or txp issue has always been frustrating. The amount of bs, lies and excuses is never ending with avionics shops. Missing data base cards, delays. Misdirection, not to mention pricing shenanigans never ends. I've know guys who paid big money to have major upgrades and have the plane returned with many items inop. I'd agree--better to buy one upgraded than to have to deal with the hassle.


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
PostPosted: 04 Feb 2018, 11:35 
Offline


User avatar
 Profile




Joined: 06/08/12
Posts: 12587
Post Likes: +5181
Company: Mayo Clinic
Location: Rochester, MN
Aircraft: Planeless in RST
Username Protected wrote:
AVIONICS SHOPS :sad:



I've never done a fancy upgrade. But even the basic WAAS addition and the occasional comm or audio issue or txp issue has always been frustrating. The amount of bs, lies and excuses is never ending with avionics shops. Missing data base cards, delays. Misdirection, not to mention pricing shenanigans never ends. I've know guys who paid big money to have major upgrades and have the plane returned with many items inop. I'd agree--better to buy one upgraded than to have to deal with the hassle.


Hmmmmm, have you tried JA in Aurora? Never any of these issues.
How about that large avionics outfit in Florida that always advertises those great deals? Sarasota I believe? Would not be in business 5his long if they did those things.
_________________
BFR 8/18; IPC 8/18


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
PostPosted: 04 Feb 2018, 13:00 
Offline


User avatar
 Profile




Joined: 08/16/15
Posts: 2868
Post Likes: +3578
Location: Ogden UT
Aircraft: Piper M600
I think the problem with avionics shops is that the major installs take a long time and are very hard work. Invariably, someone show up at the door with an easy install or an AOG emergency, and resources are taken from your aircraft to do that easy or urgent job. Not to mention that with the complexity, even testing on the ground won't always uncover the innumerable ways that equipment can interact. Tough job, but from what I hear, delays, squawks and over-budget are the norm, not the exception.

_________________
Chuck Ivester
Piper M600
Ogden UT


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
PostPosted: 04 Feb 2018, 13:18 
Offline


User avatar
 Profile




Joined: 11/08/12
Posts: 6232
Post Likes: +3735
Location: San Carlos, CA - KHWD
Aircraft: Piaggio Avanti
Username Protected wrote:
I think the problem with avionics shops is that the major installs take a long time and are very hard work. ... Tough job, but from what I hear, delays, squawks and over-budget are the norm, not the exception.

In my anecdotal observation, the people who usually have the worst stories to tell about avionics installs are the same people who shopped around for the absolute lowest price and then badgered even a little more out of that turnip before complaining they didn’t get a perfect installation and fast turnaround.

Saving that last penny doesn’t always result in actually saving... there are good shops around.

_________________
-Jon C.


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
PostPosted: 04 Feb 2018, 14:46 
Offline



 WWW  Profile




Joined: 05/23/13
Posts: 6718
Post Likes: +7257
Company: Jet Acquisitions
Location: Franklin, TN 615-739-9091 chip@jetacq.com
I can’t imagine using a cheap shop, the one used in my example was pricey but the location worked well for us. They were a good 10% higher than our next bid.

They just didn’t have the manpower and I found out through the process that the owner usually overpromises and that the employees have no interest in killing themselves to deliver.

Having said that, it was a BRILLIANT install, one of the nicest panel reworks I have seen.

_________________
It’s a brave new world, one where most have forgotten the old ways.


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
PostPosted: 07 Feb 2018, 02:09 
Offline


User avatar
 WWW  Profile




Joined: 12/17/13
Posts: 6322
Post Likes: +5522
Location: Hollywood, Los Angeles, CA
Aircraft: Turbo Commander 680V
Username Protected wrote:
I think the problem with avionics shops is that the major installs take a long time and are very hard work. Invariably, someone show up at the door with an easy install or an AOG emergency, and resources are taken from your aircraft to do that easy or urgent job. Not to mention that with the complexity, even testing on the ground won't always uncover the innumerable ways that equipment can interact. Tough job, but from what I hear, delays, squawks and over-budget are the norm, not the exception.


You ain't wrong, Charles. My "3 month" comprehensive installation took closer to 9 months, and had tons of squawks I'm still chasing.

_________________
Problem is the intelligent people are full of doubt, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
PostPosted: 07 Feb 2018, 10:12 
Offline


 Profile




Joined: 06/23/09
Posts: 2299
Post Likes: +707
Location: KIKK......Kankakee, Illinois
Aircraft: TBM 850
JA always did a great job. AVEX always did a great job. Both these vendors maybe a little higher .......in my mind well worth it!


Top

Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic  [ 611 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 ... 41  Next




You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  

Terms of Service | Forum FAQ | Contact Us

BeechTalk, LLC is the quintessential Beechcraft Owners & Pilots Group providing a forum for the discussion of technical, practical, and entertaining issues relating to all Beech aircraft. These include the Bonanza (both V-tail and straight-tail models), Baron, Debonair, Duke, Twin Bonanza, King Air, Sierra, Skipper, Sport, Sundowner, Musketeer, Travel Air, Starship, Queen Air, BeechJet, and Premier lines of airplanes, turboprops, and turbojets.

BeechTalk, LLC is not affiliated or endorsed by the Beechcraft Corporation, its subsidiaries, or affiliates. Beechcraft™, King Air™, and Travel Air™ are the registered trademarks of the Beechcraft Corporation.

Copyright© BeechTalk, LLC 2007-2024

.Latitude.jpg.
.ssv-85x50-2023-12-17.jpg.
.tempest.jpg.
.kingairacademy-85x100.png.
.planelogix-85x100-2015-04-15.jpg.
.blackwell-85x50.png.
.Marsh.jpg.
.avfab-85x50-2018-12-04.png.
.MountainAirframe.jpg.
.airmart-85x150.png.
.one-mile-up-85x100.png.
.pdi-85x50.jpg.
.camguard.jpg.
.aeroled-85x50-2022-12-06.jpg.
.Wentworth_85x100.JPG.
.aircraftferry-85x50.jpg.
.CiESVer2.jpg.
.midwest2.jpg.
.shortnnumbers-85x100.png.
.SCA.jpg.
.blackhawk-85x100-2019-09-25.jpg.
.lucysaviation-85x50.png.
.Wingman 85x50.png.
.pure-medical-85x150.png.
.sierratrax-85x50.png.
.traceaviation-85x150.png.
.Genesys_85x50.jpg.
.avionwealth-85x50.png.
.geebee-85x50.jpg.
.concorde.jpg.
.dbm.jpg.
.headsetsetc_Small_85x50.jpg.
.kingairnation-85x50.png.
.wat-85x50.jpg.
.bullardaviation-85x50-2.jpg.
.Foreflight_85x50_color.png.
.bpt-85x50-2019-07-27.jpg.
.Rocky-Mountain-Turbine-85x100.jpg.
.chairmanaviation-85x50.jpg.
.jetacq-85x50.jpg.
.aviationdesigndouble.jpg.
.saint-85x50.jpg.
.cav-85x50.jpg.
.temple-85x100-2015-02-23.jpg.
.ABS-85x100.jpg.
.AAI.jpg.
.ei-85x150.jpg.
.wilco-85x100.png.
.boomerang-85x50-2023-12-17.png.
.jandsaviation-85x50.jpg.
.daytona.jpg.
.gallagher_85x50.jpg.
.stanmusikame-85x50.jpg.
.aircraftassociates-85x50.png.
.tat-85x100.png.
.kadex-85x50.jpg.
.centex-85x50.jpg.