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 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
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Yes -21C when I started friday am.
It started fine with no preheating but had to wait to warm up the cabin as some Garmin was not coming on line.




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Cool looking jets.............looks cold!

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Flight back on Friday, always fun these GS.


Hauling a**!

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Marc, that was a short hop :thumbup:

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I want a TBM so bad.... been looking for a Meridian but thinking maybe a TBM 700A would be doable.


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G1000 NXi Upgrade Introduced for Daher TBM Aircraft
MARCH 28, 2018 AVIATION
Our G1000 NXi, successor to the ever-popular G1000 integrated flight deck, is now available as a retrofit for TBM 850 models. Boasting a modernized flight display design with significant performance enhancements, G1000 NXi incorporates innovative capabilities into a state-of-the-art avionics platform. Features such as wireless cockpit connectivity, including wireless database updates using Flight Stream, map overlay within the HSI and more, are all available with G1000 NXi. The upgrade to G1000 NXi is available through a Service Bulletin released by DAHER for the TBM 850. DAHER expects for TBM 900 aircraft to be covered under this Service Bulletin in the second quarter of 2018.

G1000 NXi on the Surface — Physical Enhancements and Display Advancements

The G1000 NXi system incorporates modern processing power that supports faster map rendering and smoother panning throughout the displays. Saving valuable time in the cockpit, the displays initialize within seconds after startup, providing immediate access to frequencies, flight plan data and more. The G1000 NXi system also incorporates contemporary animations, modernized design for improved readability and new LED backlighting, offering increased display brightness and clarity, reduced power consumption and improved dimming performance.

G1000 NXi for the Next Generation

Connext wireless cockpit connectivity unlocks more capabilities from within the G1000 NXi integrated flight deck. Available as a standard feature with the TBM G1000 NXi upgrade, Flight Stream 510 enables Database Concierge, the wireless transfer of aviation databases from the Garmin Pilot app on a mobile device to the G1000 NXi system. Flight Stream 510 also supports two-way flight plan transfer, the sharing of traffic, weather, GPS information, backup attitude information and more between G1000 NXi and compatible mobile devices running Garmin Pilot or ForeFlight Mobile. The D2 Charlie aviator watch can also sync with the Garmin Pilot app to ensure flight plan data matches throughout the cockpit.

Geographical map overlay within the HSI is available on the primary flight display (PFD), which also supports the display of NEXRAD, FIS-B weather, weather radar, SafeTaxi airport diagrams, traffic, terrain and more. For example, pilots can display SafeTaxi on the HSI map while preparing flight plan information on the multifunction display (MFD) or simultaneously display NEXRAD radar and traffic on the HSI map and view a variety of other SiriusXM aviation weather products, such as lightning, storm cells and more, on the MFD.


MFD for TBM G1000 NXi upgrade.
Optionally equipped to meet future airspace modernization initiatives, G1000 NXi-equipped aircraft can be equipped to be rule-compliant with FAA and European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) requirements. G1000 NXi also supports the display of various ADS-B “In” benefits, including traffic and subscription-free weather with the installation of the optional GTXTM 345R. Flight Information Service-Broadcast (FIS-B) weather products received by GTX 345R include the following: NEXRAD, METARs, TAFs, PIREPs, winds and temperatures aloft, NOTAMs, AIRMETs and SIGMETs. Installation of GTX 345R also adds exclusive traffic features, such as Garmin patented TargetTrend and TerminalTraffic, to further enhance the traffic picture. TargetTrend provides pilots with a more intuitive method of judging target trajectories and closure rates, while TerminalTraffic displays a comprehensive picture of ADS-B-equipped aircraft and ground vehicles throughout the airport environment. These ADS-B “In” benefits combine to give pilots superior situational awareness tools throughout the terminal and en route environments.

The G1000 NXi integrated flight deck also supports the following additional features:

Comm frequency identification displays the station ID as well as frequency type
Display of sectional charts as well as IFR low/high en route charts on the MFD
NEXRAD weather radar imagery can be overlaid on the moving map and animated on the MFD as well as overlaid on the HSI map.
Vertical Situation Display (VSD) incorporates terrain profile view on the MFD, taking into consideration the active flight plan, altitude constraints and winds aloft.
Preview departure and arrival procedures on the MFD prior to loading and activating the procedures.
Optionally overaly European Visual Reporting Points (VRPs) on the moving map. VRPs are standard within the navigation database.
Three-color terrain shading incorporates green, yellow and red contouring, which depicts that the aircraft is 2,000 ft, 1,000 ft and 100 ft Above Ground Level (AGL), respectively.
Aircraft maintenance personnel experience faster system software upgrades and streamlined equipment replacement.
Simple Path to Upgrade from G1000 to G1000 NXi for TBM aircraft
Available through the extensive Garmin Dealer Network, TBM owners and operators with an existing G1000 integrated flight deck can easily purchase the G1000 NXi upgrade with minimal aircraft downtime and disruption of the panel as the displays preserve the same footprint and connector so panel modifications are not required. Through the first quarter of 2019, Garmin is also offering a trade-in credit for a G1000 to G1000 NXi upgrade for TBM aircraft. For additional information regarding the upgrade and credit contact a Garmin authorized dealer.

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
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Here is a nice 700A with 300 SOH engine.

https://www.controller.com/listings/air ... ta-tbm-700



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I want a TBM so bad.... been looking for a Meridian but thinking maybe a TBM 700A would be doable.

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
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I want a TBM so bad.... been looking for a Meridian but thinking maybe a TBM 700A would be doable.


That one looks good. G600 TXi and GTNs would complete it.

But no Freon AC?

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the TBM 850
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It seems the TBM 700B is the sweet spot in the lineup currently (economy).

can anyone confirm this? Recently saw one for $9xx,xxx and the B seems to have "just enough" UL for a normal size family (we are 800lbs including luggage, 850 if I bring the dog).

the C adds about 300-400k in capital. the 850 burns more fuel (I know it's faster, but only by a few minutes), and doubles the capital outlay.

thoughts?


what does an owner/operator need to be RVSM compliant/capable (assuming the plane is)?

What's the issue with the freon A/C? what's the factory A/C like?

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The primary difference between the B and C2 is that the B burns a little less fuel and has a lower (that I consider significant) usefull load. As always it depends on your mission. Both are great planes.

This is a great tool for exploring differences:

https://www.newavex.com/tbm-learning-ce ... re-models/


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What's the issue with the freon A/C? what's the factory A/C like?


As I understand (someone that really knows should correct me... ) the Freon AC is supplemental for grounds ops.

The TBM uses an air cycle machine (ACM) for AC. But I don't think you can get enough bleed air on the ground to make it really effective for hot days.


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The primary difference between the B and C2 is that the B burns a little less fuel and has a lower (that I consider significant) usefull load. As always it depends on your mission. Both are great planes.

This is a great tool for exploring differences:

https://www.newavex.com/tbm-learning-ce ... re-models/


Is the lower useful load due to the larger door?


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B and C2 both have the large door which personally I love compared to the clamshell door of the PA46 and TBM A model.

The airframe was beefed up on the C2. Particularly the wing, landing gear. Also the seats were made more crashworthy.


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Also the seats were made more crashworthy.

Seats had to be made more crashworthy because the increased weight meant it would no longer meet the 61 kt stall speed. The seats in the "B" model are much more comfortable than the C2 seats and can be modified (extra or new padding) the C2 cannot be legally altered. Freon Air is a must unless you live and fly where it never gets above 70 degrees F.


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how much is the freon A/C mod?
is Keith the company that installs?

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