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Post subject: Re: PC24 Now Certified Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 11:13 |
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Joined: 01/08/11 Posts: 924 Post Likes: +1277 Location: California
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Quote: Yes but requiring 2-3 weeks of training will filter those guys out. The decision NOT to take a training shortcut in itself indicates they have better judgement and decision making related to aviation. Those that are committed and do the proper training, will likely be able to make better judgement. I'm not 100% sure about this... I've run across more than a couple "school snobs" who were excellent procedure automatons, but not really good aviators. The veneer was durable, but thin. I'm not knocking FSI/CAE, they are both excellent. But for someone with good prerequisites, I don't see a darn thing wrong with a quickie in-aircraft + a recurrent. The finished product should be the same. 2-3 weeks to train in a Citation? For a first-type and a piston transition, maybe. For an add on, or someone who came with 1000+ TP, I don't know. I suspect the TIM (Training, Insurance Mafia) got a swisher on this one. In short, 2-3 weeks won't make a seasoned jet pilot out of a Cirrus jock, and it's almost false imprisonment for someone with 2000 turbine. Rates should be the regulator. You're right...I have no point! Nevertheless, I thank you for your kind attention.
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Post subject: Re: PC24 Now Certified Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 12:19 |
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Joined: 07/23/09 Posts: 1067 Post Likes: +560 Location: KSJT
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Username Protected wrote: The pilot then attended and did a CJ4 recurrent in the FSI sim.
Are you sure the sim time was at FSI? I didn’t think FSI allowed you to take a recurrent unless you had met all of their prior experience requirements. I think prior experience is 100 in type according to their definition.
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Post subject: Re: PC24 Now Certified Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 13:42 |
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Joined: 07/23/09 Posts: 1067 Post Likes: +560 Location: KSJT
Aircraft: PC-24 Citabria 7GCBC
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Username Protected wrote: In short, 2-3 weeks won't make a seasoned jet pilot out of a Cirrus jock, and it's almost false imprisonment for someone with 2000 turbine.
Agree.... But most owner/pilots won't have 2000 hours of turbine time, I was referring to owner/pilots. Quote: Rates should be the regulator.
Rates should be the regulator? Sure, as long as the insurance companies continue to write the policies. If insurance companies are going to segment owner/operators at least require the necessary training to get the pilot to a safe level even if it means requiring them to attend FSI and 100 hours of mentor time.
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Post subject: Re: PC24 Now Certified Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 18:35 |
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Joined: 01/16/11 Posts: 11105 Post Likes: +7090 Location: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
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Username Protected wrote: I don't see a darn thing wrong with a quickie in-aircraft I agree 100 percent
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Post subject: Re: PC24 Now Certified Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 18:57 |
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Joined: 06/06/12 Posts: 2290 Post Likes: +2114 Company: FlightRepublic Location: Bee Cave, TX
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Username Protected wrote: I can pay myself to fly my airplane. You also have to spend 6 hrs before every flight in the pilots lounge drinking FBO coffee, watching Fox News and bitching about liberals. That's the only way to get the discount.
You can get a discount for doing this?
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Post subject: Re: PC24 Now Certified Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 19:42 |
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Joined: 04/27/12 Posts: 288 Post Likes: +102 Location: Phoenix, AZ (KPHX)
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Username Protected wrote: I don't see a darn thing wrong with a quickie in-aircraft I agree 100 percent
I see what you did there...
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Post subject: Re: PC24 Now Certified Posted: 13 Dec 2017, 07:27 |
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Joined: 07/23/09 Posts: 1067 Post Likes: +560 Location: KSJT
Aircraft: PC-24 Citabria 7GCBC
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The Flight Safety PC-24 Sim is has received FAA approval. (located in Dallas) Only qualified for level C right now although FSI advertises it as a level D. Maybe qualification goes in phases. https://news.flightsafety.com/pressrele ... istration/Quote: NEW YORK (December 11, 2017) –FlightSafety International and Pilatus announce that the first full flight simulator for the new PC-24 Super Versatile Jet has received interim Level C qualification from the United States Federal Aviation Administration.
The new FlightSafety FS1000 simulator is expected to be qualified by the European Aviation Safety Agency early next year. Training is scheduled to begin at FlightSafety’s Learning Center in Dallas, Texas during the first quarter of 2018.
“We are pleased to announce the FAA qualification of the first Pilatus PC-24 simulator,” said Bruce Whitman, Chairman President & CEO. “We appreciate all those who have contributed to this significant milestone in the development of this new training program and look forward to serving Pilatus PC-24 owners and operators around the world.”
André Zimmermann, VP PC-24 Jet at Pilatus, added: “We are excited to see the training device getting ready on time for the first customer training. Both teams at FlightSafety and Pilatus have worked hard to achieve this important milestone. Our partnership with FlightSafety will provide state of the art – Crystal Class – training to our customers”.
FlightSafety’s simulation engineers and courseware developers have worked closely with Pilatus to develop the PC-24 simulator and training programs. The simulator is equipped with FlightSafety’s latest advances in technology including the VITAL 1100 visual system, electric motion and control loading, and new Instructor Operating Station.
The pilot and maintenance technician training programs will also utilize MATRIX, FlightSafety’s Integrated Training System. It offers Graphical Flight Deck Simulators for instructor-led and self-paced learning, Desk Top simulators used in classroom instruction, and the SimVu simulator flight de-briefing system. Pilatus PC-24 operators will also benefit from the new FlightBag App. It offers features that increase the effectiveness of courseware material delivery, presentation, and use. The App also serves as an excellent resource for post-course review and reference.
FlightSafety International is the world’s premier professional aviation training company and supplier of flight simulators, visual systems and displays to commercial, government and military organizations. The company provides more than 1.4 million hours of training each year to pilots, technicians and other aviation professionals from 167 countries and independent territories. FlightSafety operates the world’s largest fleet of advanced full-flight simulators at Learning Centers and training locations in the United States, Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, France, Japan, the Netherlands, Norway, South Africa and the United Kingdom.
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Post subject: Re: PC24 Now Certified Posted: 13 Dec 2017, 23:09 |
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Joined: 01/16/11 Posts: 11105 Post Likes: +7090 Location: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
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Username Protected wrote: And some thought it was Pilatus holding the aircraft values up.... I'm hoping that they respect my work and give me one of the 24's
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Post subject: Re: PC24 Now Certified Posted: 18 Dec 2017, 09:09 |
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Joined: 06/09/09 Posts: 4573 Post Likes: +3298
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Username Protected wrote: From the holder of the 18th slot for a pc24, their salesperson told them last week the final top speed has been upped to 450 vs original 420ish projection.
Seems like a big deal if true. That’s premier speed. Yep, not a game changer at all.
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Post subject: Re: PC24 Now Certified Posted: 18 Dec 2017, 09:20 |
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Joined: 05/23/08 Posts: 6059 Post Likes: +702 Location: CMB7, Ottawa, Canada
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Wow 30 kts, thats impressive. Username Protected wrote: From the holder of the 18th slot for a pc24, their salesperson told them last week the final top speed has been upped to 450 vs original 420ish projection.
Seems like a big deal if true. That’s premier speed.
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