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Post subject: Re: The Piper Navajo Posted: 07 Jan 2018, 17:33 |
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Joined: 08/01/16 Posts: 335 Post Likes: +386 Location: Chicago suburbs
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Username Protected wrote: Yes, an awesome Panther conversion. So that increased my insurance premium. A factory C would be less insurance cost, but from what I have learned about the Navajo, I wouldn't buy the C without the Panther conversion. Gary, can you expand on why you wouldn’t get a stock C?
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Post subject: Re: The Piper Navajo Posted: 07 Jan 2018, 17:41 |
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Joined: 09/19/11 Posts: 894 Post Likes: +291 Location: Fort Worth, TX
Aircraft: American Airlines
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I haven't flown it yet but it seems that there is agreement that the panther conversion on the short body, no wing locker Navajo is a huge upgrade in performance of the airplane. Just search here and on google.
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Post subject: Re: The Piper Navajo Posted: 08 Jan 2018, 00:01 |
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Joined: 09/12/11 Posts: 675 Post Likes: +346 Location: Central California
Aircraft: Navajo /7GCBC/TTX
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Username Protected wrote: Yes, an awesome Panther conversion. So that increased my insurance premium. A factory C would be less insurance cost, but from what I have learned about the Navajo, I wouldn't buy the C without the Panther conversion. Gary, can you expand on why you wouldn’t get a stock C?
Any of the Navajo’s are GOOD planes. The Panther conversion makes them a GREAT plane. The “C” is the lightest of the three versions. Giving it 700HP and 4 blade props makes it an unbelievable performer. Much like the colemill conversion on a “B” model 55 Baron.
It’s an amazing short field airplane. 2,000’ unimproved strips is no problem, even at gross. Not to mention a cabin class twin too. It’s not much faster then my Baron was and burns 10 GPH more. However, for me, having a cabin class twin that’s turbo charged, able to carry 6-7 with luggage and full fuel With STOL capabilities is worth the extra costs.
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Post subject: Re: The Piper Navajo Posted: 09 Jan 2018, 01:32 |
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Joined: 06/28/09 Posts: 14153 Post Likes: +9100 Location: Walnut Creek, CA (KCCR)
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Username Protected wrote: When I bought my first twin I had 5 hrs of multi time. Insurance first year was 8k, second year was 3.5 and then it settled between 2.5-3k. Consider it the first year twin tax. How many hours did you fly it the first year? How many of those were with a right-seater?
15 hrs with a right seater, which I did in the ferry flight from the east coast plus a day flying around. I logged about 100hrs first year.
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Post subject: Re: The Piper Navajo Posted: 09 Jan 2018, 11:06 |
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Joined: 02/10/12 Posts: 6829 Post Likes: +7941 Company: Minister of Pith Location: Florida
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Username Protected wrote: How many hours did you fly it the first year? How many of those were with a right-seater? 15 hrs with a right seater, which I did in the ferry flight from the east coast plus a day flying around. I logged about 100hrs first year. That's reasonable.
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Post subject: Re: The Piper Navajo Posted: 14 Feb 2018, 12:13 |
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Joined: 09/19/11 Posts: 894 Post Likes: +291 Location: Fort Worth, TX
Aircraft: American Airlines
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Anyone know any forums that has lots of Navajo owners? I'm trying to get the word out about the STec 3100 autopilot. If they get more interest, they will get going on the PA-31 STC.
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Post subject: Re: The Piper Navajo Posted: 14 Feb 2018, 22:58 |
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Joined: 07/04/11 Posts: 1712 Post Likes: +242 Company: W. John Gadd, Esq. Location: Florida
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Username Protected wrote: And the wife can’t do this in a Baron: Looks like room for a couch in there.
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Post subject: Re: The Piper Navajo Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 02:31 |
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Joined: 05/14/11 Posts: 831 Post Likes: +577
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Username Protected wrote: Anyone know any forums that has lots of Navajo owners? I'm trying to get the word out about the STec 3100 autopilot. If they get more interest, they will get going on the PA-31 STC. Embedded within the Piper owners forum, is a Twin Piper group. They may already know about it. When I get a spare half-hour, I'll get on there and post it. I am definitely interested. The old units are really aging. I might be able to furnish an airframe in the near future for the testing. ~ ME
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Post subject: Re: The Piper Navajo Posted: 17 Feb 2018, 17:56 |
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Joined: 09/19/11 Posts: 894 Post Likes: +291 Location: Fort Worth, TX
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I've got one. PM me your email.
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Post subject: Re: The Piper Navajo Posted: 20 Feb 2018, 23:59 |
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Joined: 09/28/13 Posts: 895 Post Likes: +202 Location: Centerville, TN KGHM
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Username Protected wrote: TwinBo! The man is consistent
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Post subject: Re: The Piper Navajo Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 00:29 |
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Joined: 08/15/11 Posts: 2398 Post Likes: +1063 Location: Mandan, ND
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Username Protected wrote: I haven't flown it yet but it seems that there is agreement that the panther conversion on the short body, no wing locker Navajo is a huge upgrade in performance of the airplane. Just search here and on google. We may have a first hand comparison. Got the quote today from Mike Jones aircraft to convert the -325. Seems very price comparative to doing factory overhauls, especially considering you get a roughly $100k bump in resale with the conversion. If we do it, it will be later this year. For data point sake, the -325 does have wing lockers and we have the BLR GW increase. So, we won't get a GW increase on top of what we have now (6840), but 4 blades, winglets and 50 more HP...
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Post subject: Re: The Piper Navajo Posted: 10 Mar 2018, 22:05 |
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Joined: 02/19/13 Posts: 94 Post Likes: +55
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Why not get a fuel pressure gauge from a -310 or -350 and sent it out to be remarked?
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Post subject: Re: The Piper Navajo Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 15:44 |
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Got an answer (finally) from Aviall/Piper...133 days from time of order. Username Protected wrote: Why not get a fuel pressure gauge from a -310 or -350 and sent it out to be remarked? He looked at that option but ended up with a TSO'd/STC'd digital replacement from Aerospace Logic.
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