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Just finished lurking all 73 pages of this awesome thread.

Out of curiosity, what are the main differences between a 500 with SP exemption and a 501? It seems most of this thread is specifically focused on the 501.


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Just finished lurking all 73 pages of this awesome thread.

Out of curiosity, what are the main differences between a 500 with SP exemption and a 501? It seems most of this thread is specifically focused on the 501.

I'm still learning myself, but it appears the technical differences are subtle. In fact, Cessna issued Service Bulletin SB11-4 to take a 500 and convert it into a 501 (complete with a 501 serial number, making it legal to fly single-pilot without the SPE as I understand it). The SB is mostly about moving some gauges and controls.

In general the 500's were manufactured earlier than the 501's and therefore may have less upgrades but can often have more useful load.

Not sure how accurate this is, but shows when various serial numbers of the 500 and 501 were manufactured: https://aircraftbluebook.com/Navigation ... +500%2F501

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Username Protected wrote:
Just finished lurking all 73 pages of this awesome thread.

Out of curiosity, what are the main differences between a 500 with SP exemption and a 501? It seems most of this thread is specifically focused on the 501.

I'm still learning myself, but it appears the technical differences are subtle. In fact, Cessna issued Service Bulletin SB11-4 to take a 500 and convert it into a 501 (complete with a 501 serial number, making it legal to fly single-pilot without the SPE as I understand it). The SB is mostly about moving some gauges and controls.

In general the 500's were manufactured earlier than the 501's and therefore may have less upgrades but can often have more useful load.

Not sure how accurate this is, but shows when various serial numbers of the 500 and 501 were manufactured: https://aircraftbluebook.com/Navigation ... +500%2F501



501: Single pilot
500: single pilot if you have a single pilot exemption
500 w/ Sierra long wing: marketed as single pilot but not actually true, still need an exemption but the FAA and no one else cares.
Foreign 501s sold as 500s abroad were eligible to get converted back to 501s when repatriated back in the day.

There's no meaningful panel or switch difference between a 500 and a 501

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Mike, how essential do you feel T/Rs are on a 501?

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That’s for all the awesome info here Michael. Threads like these are great inspiration for me to continue to work to grow my business so I can get into one of these planes at some point. Crossing my fingers jet-a stays affordable for the next couple decades :cross:


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Mike, how essential do you feel T/Rs are on a 501?


nice to have!! but not essential


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My 550 doesn't have TRs . If you land at the correct speed. They are not needed.


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That’s for all the awesome info here Michael. Threads like these are great inspiration for me to continue to work to grow my business so I can get into one of these planes at some point. Crossing my fingers jet-a stays affordable for the next couple decades :cross:


If jet A ever goes through the roof, god help us with the 100LL

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My 550 doesn't have TRs . If you land at the correct speed. They are not needed.

What about contaminated runways?

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Ice & snow very careful about those. Have not ran into an issue so far.


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TRs are most helpful when >100kts. Small cabin Citations land slow enough that TRs aren't as essential. Plus, the weight and aerodynamics of TRs will lower cruise speeds slightly. There are those that insist on having them for snow covered runways, and then there are those that are content to avoid slippery situations where braking is that poor.

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The book numbers are predicated on NO TRs but with them, you can land really short. Also, the brakes last about twice as long with TRs.


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I understand that brakes are very expensive, so TR might save thousands.

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I understand that brakes are very expensive, so TR might save thousands.


I have 200 hours on mine and brakes are above 50% remaining. I think they go 500 hours easy. Brakes may be $5k-$6k. Not too bad. No reverses on mine.


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Not sure about the 501 because it’s heavier, but I have over 800 hours on my brakes on the Mustang. They last awhile.

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