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 Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp
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Depending on what the limitations are on your specific airplane, speed brakes and gear are your first items along with idle power. If you've lost control, chances are you're in some sort of spiral dive. Don't worry about the loss of lift created from the speed brakes. At that point you're looking for drag. You'll have so much excess airspeed that you'll have excess lift, regardless. As soon as you level the wings (and increase vertical lift), the nose is going to start coming up and as soon as you start rounding it out you'll end up pushing forward to prevent a bob. The gear extension speed in the Mustang is 250kts. So, I get it out there as soon as I can as well. I agree with Tarver. If you find yourself in that precarious of a situation, use the gear. You can buy new gear doors later.

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Thanks, guys, that's what I thought but just wanted to confirm.

By the way, my brother (and hopefully one day Citation co-owner) just soloed after only 5 hours flight instruction! :woot:


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 Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp
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Chris try https://web.archive.org/web/20210309174 ... tguide.htm

If the link doesn't work go to https://archive.org/web/ and search for http://www.airplanedriver.net/study/citguide.htm. The most recent saved copy of the site has the page. If that doesn't work drop me a message with your email and I'll send it over.

Many thanks though to everyone who has contributed to knowledge on the 500 series in the thread, it's been a eye opener to get real ownership experience.

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Probably a deal like this doesn't exist anymore nowadays, but does anyone have any opinions on these government auctions?

Do you get a chance to inspect the plane before the auction?

It says engines "Currently TBO", but from what I now understand you might be able to do a HSI and be good to go under 91.


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 Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp
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Probably a deal like this doesn't exist anymore nowadays, but does anyone have any opinions on these government auctions?

Do you get a chance to inspect the plane before the auction?

It says engines "Currently TBO", but from what I now understand you might be able to do a HSI and be good to go under 91.


I wasn’t aware that 501’s can be equipped with a stick shaker and single point refueling…


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Probably a deal like this doesn't exist anymore nowadays, but does anyone have any opinions on these government auctions?

Do you get a chance to inspect the plane before the auction?

It says engines "Currently TBO", but from what I now understand you might be able to do a HSI and be good to go under 91.


I wasn’t aware that 501’s can be equipped with a stick shaker and single point refueling…

I believe 501's registered in the Netherlands have stick shakers.

Single-point fueling is new to me. Could mean that one of the fuel caps is frozen shut due to corrosion. I suppose you could fuel one tank and use fuel transfer to keep the imbalance within limits. Or maybe they mean each wing has a single refueling point. Very handy.
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Probably a deal like this doesn't exist anymore nowadays, but does anyone have any opinions on these government auctions?

Do you get a chance to inspect the plane before the auction?

It says engines "Currently TBO", but from what I now understand you might be able to do a HSI and be good to go under 91.


You never want to buy these DEA seizures. They rot outside at Ft Lauderdale and the corrosion is terrible. I bought one once and paid about that for it. It was so corroded after 1 year outside that I sawed the wings off after it made its last flight on the ferry permit.

I’m absolutely convinced that even a month outside fundamentally changes these airplanes! These airplanes have myriad of sensitive relays and when one gets corroded they wreak havoc on the systems.


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I redid the interior on my 501 and installed 750s, XM, audio panel, remote 345 and a Garmin radar.


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If it makes a difference I did the interior except leather stitching with my own hands!


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Wow, looks like a new airplane!

So is it 9 seats total, or does the right side barrel seat have two sets of seatbelts to make a total of 10?

How easy/expensive is it to change the rear divan back to two seats and restore the aft potty? Any paperwork involved?

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Wow, looks like a new airplane!

So is it 9 seats total, or does the right side barrel seat have two sets of seatbelts to make a total of 10?

How easy/expensive is it to change the rear divan back to two seats and restore the aft potty? Any paperwork involved?


It's the only 501 I've ever seen with 10 seats. All the rails are still there so it would be fairly easy to convert back to a regular configuration but I'm convinced the aft divan with the two captain's seats in the club arrangement with aft baggage mod is the best interior set up. It's a limo in the back and has more space than a Citation II. I'm also anti-galley (it's heavy and the equivalent of your junk table next to your door to the garage). AVCON has the STC for both the side Divan and the Aft Divan. I think Sierra had their own aft divan too. Potties in 501s are utterly useless. These are private airplanes so the bucket under the side divan is totally sufficient for my needs.


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Michael what does the aft baggage mod look like?


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Michael what does the aft baggage mod look like?

I've heard it called a "ski tube". These pictures won't do it justice but it gives a good amount of space back in the hell hole. Both of these pictures are looking back from the baggage door opening. There is also a few feet forward.
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You have seen mine and it’s got 10 seat belts. Haha. There is a middle belt in my back bench also. Would have to be smaller people but it’s possible.

Obviously I agree the beverage center is a waste. So glad we put a seat there.

Hard to beat the size, performance, and cost of the 501

I sat in a M2 the other day and the club seating was way tight compared to mine. You are right the rear club area is like a big limo.

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