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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 06 Dec 2017, 15:22 |
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Joined: 08/05/11 Posts: 5303 Post Likes: +2423
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Username Protected wrote: With the Williams its about 1200 miles. Id figure 20% less stock
Williams is more like 1500-1900 depending on fuel tank configuration.
Correct. 1200 is for the basic "stallion mode". Eagle mod and others add more fuel, less UL, etc.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 06 Dec 2017, 15:27 |
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Joined: 11/08/12 Posts: 12799 Post Likes: +5226 Location: Jackson, MS (KHKS)
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Username Protected wrote: Most insurance require SIM time. And most people carry insurance
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 06 Dec 2017, 17:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: TRW said in a post he never carried insurance on his Citation, if he couldn't afford to walk away from it..... If he couldn't afford to swim away from it.....
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 06 Dec 2017, 18:05 |
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Joined: 08/30/08 Posts: 5607 Post Likes: +805 Location: KCMA
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Username Protected wrote: But wthdik? You're spot on sir
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 06 Dec 2017, 23:15 |
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Username Protected wrote: Michael - you probably already know there is a long laundry list of emergencies and abnormals you couldn’t/shouldn’t practice in the airplane and are best accomplished in the sim. Doing in airplane training followed by a sim recurrent as suggested by Mark would be the prudent and judicious path I’d recommend. I’d also recommend you join CJP - lots of good info sharing and resources. Finally, having a mentor pilot accompany you on the first 50+ hours would be good. These airplanes are easy to fly.... until they get ahead of you or something goes wrong and then they’re not. The way John L is going about it with his CJ2 is the way I would go about it - and John has some airline time under his belt.
I really started getting comfortable and feeling ahead of the game in my CJ after about 100 hours. I like all these ideas. Insurance was not an issue even doing the initial type in the airplane.. I plan on taking a copilot along for the near future. I also really like the idea of doing the SIM for recurrent.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 01:54 |
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Joined: 01/02/08 Posts: 7234 Post Likes: +5142 Company: Rusnak Auto Group Location: Newport Coast, CA
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Username Protected wrote: In my humble opinion, insurance requirements are secondary. Being safe, competent and proficient is what matters most. Having the privilege to fly an aircraft with this performance and capability comes with the responsibility to fly it professionally. Alex, your humble opinion is spot on! Could not agree more but I would add that no matter what one flies his/her obligation is the same.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 21:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: I've never been in a simulator. Please tell me what I'll get out the experience in six months.
After studying the systems, here are the failure scenarios:
1) Thrust reverser deployment: hit emergency stow.
2) engine fire: (never happened in the history of the plane) poke the red button and then hit the white bottle button
3) Pressurization fail: don mask and descend
4) Engine failure: climbs great on one, land.
5) landing gear fail, pull handle and blow the bottle
6) brake fail: pull handle.
Simple airplane, I've never been in a simulator but want to learn the failure scenarios that you can practice in the sim versus the airplane. You missed the first and most important step on 1 and 2.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 22:55 |
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Power to idle on the affected engine. If the bucket deploys that engine is now trying to fly in reverse so the power needs to come off. With a fire, you retard the throttle and see if the fire/alarm light extinguishes. If not after a period, you push the fire light which disconnects fluids. Wait a period, then blow bottle(s-if one doesn’t do it).
Every initial and recurrent sim I have walked away feeling it was money well spent.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 23:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: I've never been in a simulator. Please tell me what I'll get out the experience in six months.
After studying the systems, here are the failure scenarios:
1) Thrust reverser deployment: hit emergency stow.
2) engine fire: (never happened in the history of the plane) poke the red button and then hit the white bottle button
3) Pressurization fail: don mask and descend
4) Engine failure: climbs great on one, land.
5) landing gear fail, pull handle and blow the bottle
6) brake fail: pull handle.
Simple airplane, I've never been in a simulator but want to learn the failure scenarios that you can practice in the sim versus the airplane. What's the plan for in-aircraft emergency training where the aircraft is at the limit of its performance? How are you going to train for wind shear? How are you going to train to recognize system abnormals - just talk about them? In airplane V1 cuts are a joke. No instructor (in their right mind) would do a V1 cut at exactly the worst possible moment in hot-high and heavy conditions. Try it in the sim. It's a simple airplane... until its not. Do a SE no-gyro approach in LIFR on your emer bus in the sim with legacy avionics and if you don't get a work-out I'll be impressed. Look up N711BX and see what can happen with an inverter failure in these very simple airplanes flown by a pilot who had a helmet fire when he wasn't able to recognize what was happening. This is what you hope to train for in the sim.
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