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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 17 Feb 2020, 23:54 |
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A Dash 8-100/200 at Flaps 35 & max reverse (and standing on the brakes), will stop impressively short.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 21 Feb 2020, 13:11 |
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I think I remember the fuel burns on the Lears I flew:
Lear 23 and 24, 1st , 2nd, and 3rd hour burns : 2,000 lbs, 1400, and 1200
Lear 35 : 1400, 1200, 1100
After seeing the "low fuel" lights flashing on the 20 series too many times, I convinced the boss to buy a 35. We had our own 10,000 gallon Jet A tank at the ranch where we kept the Lears. Always taxied out on one engine in the 20 series. Always burned more fuel coming out of Long Beach because we could never get an unrestricted climb to 450.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 21 Feb 2020, 13:27 |
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IIRC those fuel burns seem right on the money (a lot of water under the bridge since I flew them). If IIRC again, we burned the same FF at idle on the ground as in flight at 410 in the 20 series. Coming into KVNY from the east we needed 2000 lbs crossing the Colorado River to make VNY with any reserves. Low fuel lights were I think 650 lbs per side. I started fueling Lears when the first one showed up at Pacific Lear Jet (Allen Paulson later of Gulfstream fame and Clay Lacy) when it opened on the east side of the airport in "the jungle". I was in HS then. I have it on good authority that the 20s rolled very nice. :-) In those days we even resold surplus JP-4 for 10 cents a gallon. Clay would demo the Lear by landing on the short (4000') runway. Years later I had to put a 25 down on the same runway at night because the big one was closed for repairs. Small world.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 21 Feb 2020, 13:44 |
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Username Protected wrote: IIRC those fuel burns seem right on the money (a lot of water under the bridge since I flew them). If IIRC again, we burned the same FF at idle on the ground as in flight at 410 in the 20 series. Coming into KVNY from the east we needed 2000 lbs crossing the Colorado River to make VNY with any reserves. Low fuel lights were I think 650 lbs per side. I started fueling Lears when the first one showed up at Pacific Lear Jet (Allen Paulson later of Gulfstream fame and Clay Lacy) when it opened on the east side of the airport in "the jungle". I was in HS then. I have it on good authority that the 20s rolled very nice. :-) In those days we even resold surplus JP-4 for 10 cents a gallon. Clay would demo the Lear by landing on the short (4000') runway. Years later I had to put a 25 down on the same runway at night because the big one was closed for repairs. Small world. I can verify.......
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 21 Feb 2020, 13:56 |
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Joined: 03/28/17 Posts: 6693 Post Likes: +8033 Location: N. California
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Username Protected wrote: IIRC those fuel burns seem right on the money (a lot of water under the bridge since I flew them). If IIRC again, we burned the same FF at idle on the ground as in flight at 410 in the 20 series. Coming into KVNY from the east we needed 2000 lbs crossing the Colorado River to make VNY with any reserves. Low fuel lights were I think 650 lbs per side. I started fueling Lears when the first one showed up at Pacific Lear Jet (Allen Paulson later of Gulfstream fame and Clay Lacy) when it opened on the east side of the airport in "the jungle". I was in HS then. I have it on good authority that the 20s rolled very nice. :-) In those days we even resold surplus JP-4 for 10 cents a gallon. Clay would demo the Lear by landing on the short (4000') runway. Years later I had to put a 25 down on the same runway at night because the big one was closed for repairs. Small world. Yes, small world. We operated the boss's Lear 24 from a 3500 foot dirt strip on his ranch. It had the gravel kit, Dee Howard reversers, drag chute, Mark ll wing with a 98 knot basic ref. When the 35 came along the strip was lengthened and oiled. Edit: The 24 was as close as I ever got to flying a T-38; same engines (without after burner) and same weight, but without the supersonic part.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 22 Feb 2020, 08:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: I think I remember the fuel burns on the Lears I flew:
Lear 23 and 24, 1st , 2nd, and 3rd hour burns : 2,000 lbs, 1400, and 1200
Lear 35 : 1400, 1200, 1100
After seeing the "low fuel" lights flashing on the 20 series too many times, I convinced the boss to buy a 35. We had our own 10,000 gallon Jet A tank at the ranch where we kept the Lears. Always taxied out on one engine in the 20 series. Always burned more fuel coming out of Long Beach because we could never get an unrestricted climb to 450. We referred to those as the “mission accomplished” lights. The 35 was much better on fuel, but didn’t handle like the 20s. I’d love to go fly a tank of gas through a nice, light 24 again. No comment on rolling them, although I hear they would do it nicely.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 22 Feb 2020, 10:16 |
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To drive a 20 series Lear has always been my dream. The 31 was as close as I got and was told it was a Lear with training wheels.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 22 Feb 2020, 13:18 |
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Username Protected wrote: To drive a 20 series Lear has always been my dream. The 31 was as close as I got and was told it was a Lear with training wheels. No problem Mark. Here's a 24D on Controller for $150K. Has Stage lll hush kit; ready to go. Care and feeding, extra.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 22 Feb 2020, 15:53 |
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The Lear is what a jet should look like! We used to have a passenger, who was pushing max density, that would grab the seatbelt extender and head aft. One of us would immediately jump up on the front of the teeter totter to counteract. When said pax stepped on that lower door, the cable sang out like a musical saw. I always fretted over wether or not it was going to start spitting strands.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 22 Feb 2020, 23:29 |
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Joined: 03/28/17 Posts: 6693 Post Likes: +8033 Location: N. California
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Username Protected wrote: The Lear is what a jet should look like! We used to have a passenger, who was pushing max density, that would grab the seatbelt extender and head aft. One of us would immediately jump up on the front of the teeter totter to counteract. When said pax stepped on that lower door, the cable sang out like a musical saw. I always fretted over wether or not it was going to start spitting strands. "stepped on that lower door" A Lear pilot just isn't worth his salt if he hasn't flopped out onto the ground opening the lower door at least once in his career.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 25 Feb 2020, 18:51 |
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Username Protected wrote: We used to have a passenger, who was pushing max density, that would grab the seatbelt extender and head aft. One of us would immediately jump up on the front of the teeter totter to counteract. When said pax stepped on that lower door, the cable sang out like a musical saw. I always fretted over wether or not it was going to start spitting strands. What self respecting Lear driver doesn’t have a support hook for the door? It’s hard on those cables with even a normal size person. As to falling out... That Controller ad has me thinking some seriously irresponsible thoughts... we could do fine in an apartment. Really. I could feed it for at least a year... one incredible, blissful, epic year... Ahhh...
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