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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp  Posted: 08 Feb 2020, 23:13 |
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I get it. I am happy to have multiple ways to stop the plane. Tires blow, anti-skid fails, braking action can be unpredictable in snow/ice/heavy rain, winds can favor runways without approaches, may need to tanker fuel to next stop due to unavailable services etc etc.
It is amazing how short the Ultra will stop, BUT, overruns are a common killer in jets. Its great to have two ways to stop imho.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 08 Feb 2020, 23:31 |
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Contaminated runway charts can be a real eye-opener.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 09 Feb 2020, 06:40 |
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Thrust reversers are most effective at high runway speeds. So to get the maximum effect, they need to be deployed as soon as possible after the initial touchdown.
At lower speeds they make a lot of noise, but the relative reverse thrust component is dramatically reduced.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 09 Feb 2020, 11:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: I get it. I am happy to have multiple ways to stop the plane. Tires blow, anti-skid fails, braking action can be unpredictable in snow/ice/heavy rain, winds can favor runways without approaches, may need to tanker fuel to next stop due to unavailable services etc etc.
It is amazing how short the Ultra will stop, BUT, overruns are a common killer in jets. Its great to have two ways to stop imho. I absolutely could not agree more. I will NEVER buy into that Williams propaganda! (Weight, cost, complexity....BFD it's a multi-million dollar jet, not a Tri Pacer). That said, I love the 525 series as well. The braking systems are INCREDIBLE machines. But yes...unlayering the protection against the #1 accident cause? Keep movin', I ain't buying. The drag chute in the ancient 500 doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 09 Feb 2020, 11:40 |
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Username Protected wrote: I know of a Citation 500 that landed long on KBUR 08 (then 07) on a rainy night and went through the fence at the end and into the same gas station that Southwest went into years later.
Tell me how you get an airplane that touches down at 85 kts to over run an 8,000+ ft runway even if it is wet!
BTW the pilot blamed it on not having reversers, the company then got him a Saberliner
You wanna guess what happened next?
BTW 2, I was flying a CE500 at the same time at the same airport (2200 hrs TT CE500) http://www.airnav.com/airport/KBURRWY 8 at BUR is 5800, not 8000'. Land a little long & fast (or possibly a slight tailwind), wet runway.......5800' can go by pretty quickly. 
I think I hit a typo and didn't do a good proof read Sorry
I was going to say 6,000'
And yes it was a long touchdown, high speed and wet.
How fast do you have to be going to slide through a tall blast fence, chain link perimeter fence and still slide across a 6 lane boulevard?
BTW, the Saberliner went off the left side of the same runway several months later on a wet and rainy night. I rolled past it in the CE500 after landing and a caution by the tower.
Wanna guess what the company did next?
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 09 Feb 2020, 12:17 |
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Username Protected wrote: I know it adds nothing to this conversation, but all the talk of buckets and contaminated runways has me loving on my King’s reverse capability.
Landed early last week in Denver in a snowstorm with crappy FICON reports and of course wasn’t a problem at all (until I turned off the runway and slipped a little bit - oops!).
Robert MU-2 has the best stopping violence of any airplane I've been in. I think 800 feet is possible.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 09 Feb 2020, 12:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: ...stopping violence... LOL! Great description. I have to warn passengers if I’m planning on using full reverse in the King (very rarely ever needed but really fun to do!). Robert
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 11 Feb 2020, 14:10 |
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My Citation 501 does not have TR's BUT it does have a CUTE!!! and it stops the plan FAST!!!!
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 11 Feb 2020, 14:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: Great to have a "cute" plane. I noticed that ....too.  
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 11 Feb 2020, 16:58 |
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I think those early small Citation jets (525?) were cute with their little ice cream scoop TRs.
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