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Well today was the day!

Just brought home my 501 SPLW to 11R TX, hand flew hand, because I wanted , was nice

WOW first time flying(Right Seat of course for now) in a Citation jet !

For what I need, this was perfect for my missions.

It was great, can't wait to start flying to MYEH!

1595 #s useful load after full of fuel!!

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1595 #s useful load after full of fuel!!

Nice, but there will be days you wish you could use some of that useful load for fuel.

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Well today was the day!

Just brought home my 501 SPLW to 11R TX, hand flew hand, because I wanted , was nice

WOW first time flying(Right Seat of course for now) in a Citation jet !

For what I need, this was perfect for my missions.

It was great, can't wait to start flying to MYEH!

1595 #s useful load after full of fuel!!


Congrats. When is type rating? Where ?

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Well today was the day!

Just brought home my 501 SPLW to 11R TX, hand flew hand, because I wanted , was nice

WOW first time flying(Right Seat of course for now) in a Citation jet !

For what I need, this was perfect for my missions.

It was great, can't wait to start flying to MYEH!

1595 #s useful load after full of fuel!!


Nice chat over the weekend Gary, I'm happy for you!!


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I know of a attractive Citation II with on condition HT blades for 265K with more than 1000+ hours before any sort of engine event.

PM me if anyone is interested in a stretch-Klingon.


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My friend Joe as one for sale also.

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I know of a attractive Citation II with on condition HT blades for 265K with more than 1000+ hours before any sort of engine event.

PM me if anyone is interested in a stretch-Klingon.

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A CJP member graciously let me fly right seat in his 501 last weekend. The jet bug has bitten deep :). Can't wait to own one.

You get spoiled fast. Loaded Ultra leveling FL430. Topping weather in a jet is so sweet after years of flying in the 20s. Go for it!


Nice.

Can you use the Garmin 750s intercom to replace the OEM intercom? Do you still use the Universal FMS?

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I really need to make type rating locally at this time, hopefully in next two weeks

I feel I made a very good purchase for my mission, need a bigger hanger for 3 planes is next issue

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I really need to make type rating locally at this time, hopefully in next two weeks

I feel I made a very good purchase for my mission, need a bigger hanger for 3 planes is next issue


Good luck with the type! It's a solid airplane. Hangar problems are good to have!


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What's the latest, Tarver?

I'm sure it's been touched upon multiple times, but what's the fuel burn and speed at say FL350? What's the fuel burn down low?

Also, looking at engines, I understand these are not economical to overhaul, so you either part it out or urn them over. But what is the average HSI cost? Because that you do need to comply with.

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What's the latest, Tarver?

I'm sure it's been touched upon multiple times, but what's the fuel burn and speed at say FL350? What's the fuel burn down low?

Also, looking at engines, I understand these are not economical to overhaul, so you either part it out or urn them over. But what is the average HSI cost? Because that you do need to comply with.


Down low fuel burn (say stuck at 17,500) is about 180 GPH, up high it's about 120 GPH. I think the real world speed on real world days is about 335kts. It will do a tad more but it's generally not ISA temps where I fly. I think clean HOTs are running $45K a side. My plane has a fresh HOT on one side (1700 hours remaining) and 700ish til TBO on the other side. The caveat on the 1,700 hours remaining motor is that the HT blades cycle out in about 700 cycles so I may cycle out before I time out unless I limit my flights to longer legs. If I still own it in that time, I'd probably find a used motor or 2 for $90-100/hr time remaining. Some engines have on condition HT blades with no set cycle limits.

Plane is just doing great. It never breaks and is a real joy to fly and own.

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Down low fuel burn (say stuck at 17,500) is about 180 GPH, up high it's about 120 GPH. I think the real world speed on real world days is about 335kts.


What's the real world range?

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Down low fuel burn (say stuck at 17,500) is about 180 GPH, up high it's about 120 GPH. I think the real world speed on real world days is about 335kts.


What's the real world range?

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1,100-1,200nm

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4 of us flew from 11r Brenham Tx to Indy for the Indy 500 in AJ's pit during the race
772 miles 2.6 hrs ea way at 27/28 ( waiting on RVSM approval) 1600#'s climb and 1000#'s cruise is what we saw , full fuel four people and 100/125 #'s bags landed with 1000#'s
335 kts cruise all day burned 2804#'s ea way=419 gals 1.84 miles per gal average
Hoping at 35/39 to see 335kts and 750#'s and make 1,100 miles , we will see once RVSM arrives, need to look at long range cruise also
definitely a good way to go
SP transition from turbo prop doable, BUT very drastic change
from piston to turboprop no big deal
turbo to turbine, well for me very busy and quick when SP and starting cold turkey "0 jet"

16 hrs now total, better every day, friend flying with me just because until I feel good enough to go without him myself. can never be to safe

Now wondering what is a good avioncs package that doesn't cost more than plane currently gns 500 non waas, prefer waas and adsb in/out, all else is great

even if I stop both ways to and from Bahamas its still half the time of Cheyenne which I really like flying also
ideally is to fly non stop to myeh and 1 CBP and fuel stop coming home














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Just to show how technologically has made a difference. CJ2 is 3.22 miles per gal. Speeds 380 knots. 1700 mile range.

Straight Cj has similar burn. 360 knots. Right around $1m

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