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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 20 May 2021, 13:24 |
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Joined: 01/17/21 Posts: 88 Post Likes: +42
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My biggest adjustment coming out of the MU2 was speed on final as well. Roughly for every 10 knots over ref you'll float another 1000'.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 20 May 2021, 14:04 |
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Joined: 01/01/10 Posts: 3457 Post Likes: +2400 Location: Roseburg, Oregon
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Username Protected wrote: All of my reading tells me that jets are safer at the expense of much higher fuel burn. When I say safer, I mean that OEI performance is better than a piston or turboprop and engine failures are easier to manage (engines closer to centerline, no huge prop windmilling, etc). Yes, OEI performance is better because a jet has more excess thrust. I think that is one fact that is often overlooked in these kinds of comparisons. It climbs better on one because there is more excess thrust. As a result, a jet typically has a yaw force stronger than most realize with OEI. Even though it might be closer to centerline, the higher thrust can still generate significant yaw. Quote: The systems are different but I don't think they are any more complex than a piston once you learn them. There is some complexity to learn, however. The type rating requires a greater understanding of the systems, and there are more of them than in a typical SEP. Pressurization, hydraulics, and anti-ice tend to be more involved. Plus, learning to understand the systems redundancies is important. Finally, the one thing that many pilots transitioning from a SEP have difficulty adjusting to is a disciplined use of the checklist. It changes the routine for many, but it's all for the good. Getting typed will make you a better pilot.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 20 May 2021, 23:48 |
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Joined: 03/11/20 Posts: 58 Post Likes: +5 Company: Ace Welding
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Mike Ciholas, Thank you for the well put and well-reasoned responses. I appreciate the feedback. Gabe Kulp
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 21 May 2021, 01:25 |
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Joined: 02/03/13 Posts: 492 Post Likes: +108 Location: Caldwell Tx
Aircraft: B55 Pres !!, 501 SP
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I started like us all, Then B-55 Pres II, Cheyenne I Turboprop, Now citation 501 SP
Citation 501 SP I agree with everything and cannot repeat enough about Jet approach and touch down speeds This in my opinion is what will end very very bad if you touch down too fast every 1 knot is 100 foot of runway more than required, 15 knots too fast 1500' not going to be a good day at all. Other than that-WOW- what a safe easy bird to fly once you catch up to the speed Single engine a non issue even on T/O loaded As stated above , i land slower in jet than the Baron seriously I fly mostly 33-39K , mask on above 35 fuel burn, don't forget you are going a lot faster, 501SP average GPM is .40-.45 at 35-37K Inspection and insurance basically same as Baron and Turboprop for Jet Must get annual proficiency check-ride in jet from DPE If you do not have turboprop/turbine time, you 99% will not get SP at first, you can get CREW but SP is very hard to get if not impossible to get at first.
BUT once you get everything to come together- JET- you will never look back with regrets in my opinion Jet checks ALL THE BOXES ! Average legacy 500-501 Block 145 GPH I use my 501 SP to fly wife to casino and us to Bahamas Spanish Wells regularly from Tx 39K over weather in clean air is nice!
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 21 May 2021, 11:27 |
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Joined: 11/06/20 Posts: 1314 Post Likes: +1298 Location: Tulsa, OK - KRVS
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Hi Everyone, I have a question about the phase schedule. Where is the definitive schedule listed? I found this one online: https://skyway-mro.com/citation-500-501-inspections/I know that w/ LUMP you can move Phases 1-4 and 5 out to 3 and 6 years respectively, but is the above an accurate list of the other phases? The one that stood out there is Phase 57, Corrosion Inspection, every 6 months. Is that a big deal?
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 21 May 2021, 15:04 |
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Joined: 03/11/20 Posts: 58 Post Likes: +5 Company: Ace Welding
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[quote="Gary Snoe"]I started like us all, Then B-55 Pres II, Cheyenne I Turboprop, Now citation 501 SP
Gary, how was your Cheyenne experience? Can you make a comparison between the Cheyenne and the 501?
Thanks!
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 21 May 2021, 22:13 |
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Joined: 11/22/08 Posts: 2924 Post Likes: +928 Company: USAF Propulsion Laboratory Location: Dayton, OH
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Username Protected wrote: Here's an extreme example: Attachment: 1280px-Let-200D_Morava_2010_03.jpg 14 levers, basically all the same shape, size, and color. How is that simpler? Mike C. Wow, that brings back some memories. I got checked out in an L-200 when I was stationed in the Slovak Republic. Of course none of the gauges were in english, nor was the checklist. A couple of times I would forget to engage the superchargers before attempting to start the engines. The starter would run through the supercharger, so that was a bit embarrassing! It is a nice sized airplane. Used hot air from the engines as deice for the wings.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 22 May 2021, 02:02 |
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Joined: 08/03/10 Posts: 1562 Post Likes: +1781 Company: D&M Leasing Houston Location: Katy, TX (KTME)
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Username Protected wrote: Hi Everyone, I have a question about the phase schedule. Where is the definitive schedule listed? I found this one online: https://skyway-mro.com/citation-500-501-inspections/I know that w/ LUMP you can move Phases 1-4 and 5 out to 3 and 6 years respectively, but is the above an accurate list of the other phases? The one that stood out there is Phase 57, Corrosion Inspection, every 6 months. Is that a big deal? No. Basically a walk around.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 22 May 2021, 03:18 |
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Joined: 02/15/21 Posts: 2540 Post Likes: +1264
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Username Protected wrote: Hi Everyone, I have a question about the phase schedule. Where is the definitive schedule listed? I found this one online: https://skyway-mro.com/citation-500-501-inspections/I know that w/ LUMP you can move Phases 1-4 and 5 out to 3 and 6 years respectively, but is the above an accurate list of the other phases? The one that stood out there is Phase 57, Corrosion Inspection, every 6 months. Is that a big deal? No. Basically a walk around. Does that have to be done by an A&P?
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 22 May 2021, 08:22 |
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Joined: 05/05/09 Posts: 4966 Post Likes: +4797
Aircraft: G44, C501, C55, R66
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Busy week in the 501 Landscape. I finally bought the hangar from the estate of the guy that crashed his Cheyenne awhile back and am putting it to good use. I cleaned out my house, garage, other hangar, grass strip hangar and friend's hangar and moved 4 parts airplanes to the "new" hangar. I purchased some Home Depot style racks and am in the process of putting all the parts up there. It's quite wonderful to get all this stuff in one place. I need to hire a kid for the summer to catalog and organize it but I have every single part for a Citation 500 times 5!
Finally, I did something I thought I'd never do and bought a Williams powered Eagle II 501. It's fast, quiet and climbs well. Is it worth $310 in hourly program fees? I don't know but time will tell. It's a really special airframe with some weird options like anti skid, HF, Sat Phone, EVAS vision camera and every Sierra mod known to man. It's almost a baby V. I need to take it on a long trip and see what it will do.
With inflation rampant, some people buy gold bars or bitcoin; however, I feel pretty confident that the legacy Citations are going to be flying around for years to come and are a great storage of value.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 22 May 2021, 08:49 |
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Joined: 05/05/09 Posts: 4966 Post Likes: +4797
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Username Protected wrote: Michael,
What kind of fuel flow are you seeing on the FJs?
Ryan No idea! We just picked it up yesterday. I'll report back after a trip. I was mainly concerned with reading the checklist to start the things, starter button, ignitor, A or B, over the gate....then, I called Mark Huff and he said "ignore all that stuff and just start it like a regular Citation". Easy enough.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 22 May 2021, 09:44 |
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Nice airplane, MT. What are the minimum hours per year on the Engine program?
Robert T.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 22 May 2021, 13:10 |
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Joined: 05/05/09 Posts: 4966 Post Likes: +4797
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Username Protected wrote: Nice airplane, MT. What are the minimum hours per year on the Engine program?
Robert T. They say 150 hours per year with 1 year of your choosing with no minimums.
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Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp Posted: 23 May 2021, 00:02 |
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Joined: 04/24/18 Posts: 727 Post Likes: +340 Location: NYC
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Username Protected wrote: Busy week in the 501 Landscape. I finally bought the hangar from the estate of the guy that crashed his Cheyenne awhile back and am putting it to good use. I cleaned out my house, garage, other hangar, grass strip hangar and friend's hangar and moved 4 parts airplanes to the "new" hangar. I purchased some Home Depot style racks and am in the process of putting all the parts up there. It's quite wonderful to get all this stuff in one place. I need to hire a kid for the summer to catalog and organize it but I have every single part for a Citation 500 times 5!
Finally, I did something I thought I'd never do and bought a Williams powered Eagle II 501. It's fast, quiet and climbs well. Is it worth $310 in hourly program fees? I don't know but time will tell. It's a really special airframe with some weird options like anti skid, HF, Sat Phone, EVAS vision camera and every Sierra mod known to man. It's almost a baby V. I need to take it on a long trip and see what it will do.
With inflation rampant, some people buy gold bars or bitcoin; however, I feel pretty confident that the legacy Citations are going to be flying around for years to come and are a great storage of value. Welcome to the Eagle II club!
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