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 Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp
PostPosted: 18 Oct 2018, 15:23 
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Michael,

Try below and attached as a sample and for reference purposes.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoG-7H5vJCM

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 Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp
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Hmmm.. I flew that very 501 from SDL to SJC a few months ago...


Six degrees of separation baby. Small world. Especially in aviation. Do you know Jose Perez? He called me looking for a PIC for the 501P. He manages the 560 I have flown on Rocker trips. I couldn’t because I was contract flying another 560 (N561PA) for a family out of Miami. That contact came from the fact that the aircraft manager for 561PA and I both had same Citation Simcom instructor. I connected Jesse and Jose.

And for those wondering how to get contract work on the side...that’s how it happens. You get known in a network. Help a guy in a pinch and word gets around. I know a guy who knows a guy.



Jose flys my friends CJ for him also. Flew us up to Canada this summer.
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 Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp
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Michael,

Try below and attached as a sample and for reference purposes.

Don

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoG-7H5vJCM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiFrFhxR5VM


More Lear Goodness...
https://youtu.be/3sT2I2DDnnw

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I loved flying the 31. It was my first type and I was so far behind that thing in my training. I went from a Champ driver to a Lear captain in less than 30 days. The airplane flew a lot better than the sim. I’ll admit I saw the red screen once on a high, hot, and heavy session. I’m still thankful for all my taildragger time. I had a good respect for that machine, it was a scooter for sure. 510 let’s go!


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 Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp
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Just to play, my wife is a pilot, what is needed in ratings for a SIC to be legal in a 31?

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Just to play, my wife is a pilot, what is needed in ratings for a SIC to be legal in a 31?


Legal or insured?

Legal?...multi engine, instrument, ground school, three takeoff and landings, engine out work.

Insurable? Depends on the PIC. To get PIC status in the 35A I had to have 50 dual POST type rating. And that’s with an ATP, 1100 jet, 2000 turbine. I think if you said “We wanna do the Mr and Mrs TRW thing and we are both new to the airplane”... Ok well that’s never going to happen. :lol:

It would be a tough sell. Probably rightfully so. Big boy airplane


Could she fly right seat with a high time guy and get blessed by insurance? I would think it would be a tough sell both from an insurance perspective and finding a high time PIC to fly with her. A lot of high time guys want nothing to do with a newbie.

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Let's continue with the Lear game.

Why are the 31s so cheap? Are the 35s that worse to fly; you could probably steal one of these? Mark, the AP is bad? There's a 31 with fresh engines for $600K. The inspections don't seem terrible according to Spectra's flat rate pricing; no worse than 1-5s on Citations. Are they that big of a step up from flying an old Citation? Lears are arguably the most attractive looking airplane ever made.


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Michael,

Try below and attached as a sample and for reference purposes.

Don

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoG-7H5vJCM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiFrFhxR5VM


At mid weights, 3,900ft strip is doable; appears so?


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 Post subject: Re: Citation 501sp
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Let's continue with the Lear game.

Why are the 31s so cheap? Are the 35s that worse to fly; you could probably steal one of these? Mark, the AP is bad? There's a 31 with fresh engines for $600K. The inspections don't seem terrible according to Spectra's flat rate pricing; no worse than 1-5s on Citations. Are they that big of a step up from flying an old Citation? Lears are arguably the most attractive looking airplane ever made.



31’s are range limited.

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Let's continue with the Lear game.

Why are the 31s so cheap? Are the 35s that worse to fly; you could probably steal one of these? Mark, the AP is bad? There's a 31 with fresh engines for $600K. The inspections don't seem terrible according to Spectra's flat rate pricing; no worse than 1-5s on Citations. Are they that big of a step up from flying an old Citation? Lears are arguably the most attractive looking airplane ever made.



31’s are range limited.


1200-1400 for the 31? What does a 35 do? Does the 35 have a Sperry 500 AP or what?

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Lear 31. 1200

Lear 35A 2052

Jet FC-200 AP. The guy that I would fly with says AP is worthless for anything other than cruise. Hand fly all departures and arrivals.

No alt preselect.

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31’s are range limited.


Old Learjet pilots joke that they usually just declare a fuel emergency after V1.


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Just to play, my wife is a pilot, what is needed in ratings for a SIC to be legal in a 31?


Legal or insured?

Legal?...multi engine, instrument, ground school, three takeoff and landings, engine out work.

Insurable? Depends on the PIC. To get PIC status in the 35A I had to have 50 dual POST type rating. And that’s with an ATP, 1100 jet, 2000 turbine. I think if you said “We wanna do the Mr and Mrs TRW thing and we are both new to the airplane”... Ok well that’s never going to happen. :lol:

It would be a tough sell. Probably rightfully so. Big boy airplane


Could she fly right seat with a high time guy and get blessed by insurance? I would think it would be a tough sell both from an insurance perspective and finding a high time PIC to fly with her. A lot of high time guys want nothing to do with a newbie.


Tom or another Ins guy jump on. What would be minimum for SIC. Thanks Mark for the info.
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Our 31 has the 4650lbs fuel. It’s as long as any leg I care to make.
I Did Albany, Seattle- San Diego in an afternoon.

The standard fuel 31 didn’t seem that range limited. But I like to land so it’s fine by me.

SIC: with the right program you can get by with a lower time SIC.
The 31 is really an SP cockpit with 2 people in it.
Great value. Kinda crappy AC. Great panel.
Climbs like a mofo. Often 3000+ ft/min climb in the mid 30s. It’s nuts.

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