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 Post subject: Looking at a Cub.....
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Hi All,

I'm looking at a Piper Cub with the following specs.

1946 Piper J3C, TT4100

C90-12 with SkyTec STC starter.
Approx. 400 since restoration and major OH
Sealed struts
Rear int. reel shoulder harness
Wing tank
Metal spars
Metal prop
Wheel pants

The C90-12 seems like a good upgrade, as do the starter, wing tanks, metal spars., sealed struts and shoulder harness. I'm wondering, though, what the useful load would be?

Any comments on this particular Cub?

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depends on the empty wt, all the mods are good, c90 is a great engine on the j-3, not sure why you would want wheel pants though


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 Post subject: Re: Looking at a Cub.....
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Also check who did engine and make sure logs are complete. Price? I've had mine 20 years or so and love it. J-3 cub club is a good source also.


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It's going to be stuck with the metal spars, unfortunately. But the wheel pants, metal prop, and starter you can easily throw in the trash and get it back to closer to the ideal.


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Good luck on your quest John. I can see myself getting a bush plane one day. The Bo is great transportation but nothing plays like the fat tire tail daggers.

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Someone named Lefty will argue with me, but the electric starter is a HUGE safety feature. The big engine is required to get the starter and to haul the weight of that electrical stuff. It also increases the speed enough that you can actually go somewhere -- maybe even 20 or 30 miles! Cub wheel pants are cute; they look like paws.

Useful load will be you, a friend, and fuel.

This sounds like an ideal J-3.


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Mine has the c85 stroker and no starter, which I prefer. Wood spars, 24x11x4 tires, vg's and a seaplane prop. outperforms most supercubs if I'm in it by myself


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Does this Cub have a generator or alternator?

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Hi All,

Currently, the wheel pants aren't installed and I would leave it that way! Not sure on the generator or alternator, but I'll find out.

Asking price is $43K.

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Sorry to hijack.

I need a right wing (wood spar) for my '46 J3. If anyone happens across one, please let me know. :bow:


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John,

What is the empty weight? Have the modifications turned a lightweight aircraft into a pig? I would fly and see how it feels. You may be better looking at a PA-11 or PA-18-105 special. Go to Supercub.org and search around on threads there.

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John,

What is the empty weight? Have the modifications turned a lightweight aircraft into a pig? I would fly and see how it feels. You may be better looking at a PA-11 or PA-18-105 special. Go to Supercub.org and search around on threads there.

Ed


My experience with the Cub would not support Ed's position. The only "pig" Cub is the stock 65 horsepower model which is grossly underpowered. My J-3, modified to a PA-11 configuration with a 100 HP O-200 is at least 120 pounds heavier than stock. So, if I have a 15 or even 20% increase in empty weight, I have a 50% increase in horsepower.

With the 85 hp model you are considering, you have a 28% increase in horsepower. The minimal weight increases of the modifications you list will still allow for a substantial increase in the power to weight ratio.

The wing area of the J-3 is the same as a 1800# Super Cub. Not so the vertical stabilizer which is 18" longer on each side than the J-3 stabilizer.

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My opinion only...

A hand prop 65 j3 is the best combo for light and fun flying out there.

Start throwing a battery, starter, heavier engine and metal prop on a cub and it looses its cub-ness.

If you want a super cub, get a super cub!

As far and hand prop safety. Use good technique and you're fine. I propped a Baron with a bad starter adapter to get it home one day. Safe as can be.


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my opinion - I added a caveat
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A hand prop 65 j3 is the best combo for light and fun flying out there....ASSUMING AN AERONCA CHAMP IS NOT AVAILABLE

By the time I get myself into the seat of a J3 I'm too aggravated to enjoy the flight. With a champ, just step in like a civilized person.


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my opinion - I added a caveat
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A hand prop 65 j3 is the best combo for light and fun flying out there....ASSUMING AN AERONCA CHAMP IS NOT AVAILABLE

By the time I get myself into the seat of a J3 I'm too aggravated to enjoy the flight. With a champ, just step in like a civilized person.


champ? :crazy:

Chevy or Ford?


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