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 Post subject: Re: Will an Eclipse 500 fit in a standard t-hangar
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OK, try this one; it's a little more complete...

And yet, still manages to leave out the critical nose to rear of tip tank dimension.

Gosh, Mike, they didn't teach you how to use a ruler at that engineering school you went to? :scratch:

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You are assuming that the drawing is properly scaled, and that may or may not be the case. Of course the Eclipse is a cad airplane so they may have got it right, but there are many things that can happen transferring a line drawing to something like a POH that can mess up the dimensions.

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You are assuming that the drawing is properly scaled, and that may or may not be the case. Of course the Eclipse is a cad airplane so they may have got it right, but there are many things that can happen transferring a line drawing to something like a POH that can mess up the dimensions.

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Dave, Ken is right. The diagrams transfer correctly. It's easy to scale with Visio, Sketchup, or any AutoCad/3DSMax/3D tool.

The diagrams Ken posted are accurate. We've created 3D models of the Eclipse off the 3D drawings.

Tight, but the Eclipse is pretty much fits into the same Thangar as a Baron or a C310 with tip tanks.


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Gosh, Mike, they didn't teach you how to use a ruler at that engineering school you went to?

Ah, the drawing was only meant for people who had been to engineering school who count pixels on screens and figure out the conversion factor. That is why the person who did it failed to clearly indicate the most useful dimensions and instead provided a bunch of useless dimensions to unclear points.

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We've created 3D models of the Eclipse off the 3D drawings.

Yes indeed. I'm still enjoying the Microsoft Flight Simulator Eclipse model you developed, thank you very much. And I remember well your flight in my Eclipse at Sun River all those years ago:

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[For those that may not know, that big ol' smile is a pretty uniform reaction people exhibit when they fly the Eclipse :) . It's a fun, fast, cost-effective jet. ]

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Yes indeed. I'm still enjoying the Microsoft Flight Simulator Eclipse model you developed, thank you very much. And I remember well your flight in my Eclipse at Sun River all those years ago


Ken that picture brings tears to my eyes. That was honestly one of the top memories of my lifetime. I can't thank you enough for that flight. :bud:

And I'm glad you're still getting use from your simulator! The Eclipse is a absolutely great airplane.



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I still can't believe they didn't just put a G1000 in that airplane.


The original company might still be around..


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The t-hangar in question is 43 feet wide, depth is pretty good. I see the 500's wingspan is listed at 37 feet. I would think the distance from the wing trailing edge to the nose would be the needed measurement. Thanks. John


John,
The Eclipse is the only Jet that fits in a T hangar.

I measured today and I have 21 feet from the door to the short side and that fits nicely.

This means I can walk around the tips and the nose without removing the static wicks.

I have put it in much smaller hangars and the dimension I got from the nose to the tip tanks is 18 feet 7 inches with the wicks on and 18 feet 4 inches with the wicks off.

Good luck it's a great airplane.


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I still can't believe they didn't just put a G1000 in that airplane.

G1000 did not exist when Eclipse was being designed originally. G1000 appeared in 2003, on the Citation Mustang, long after Eclipse had committed to using other stuff (Avidyne). They eventually ditched that for IS&S panels, but it was too late to go G1000 due to pride and design factors.

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The original company might still be around..

The original company would have failed even if they switched to G1000. The problem was they couldn't build the planes for a profit at the contracted prices. Had they made the switch, however, the market value of the fleet would have been much higher.

There was a moment in time where Eclipse could have said: "We're switching to G1000. All previous contracts are void and deposits will be refunded, or depositors can sign a new contract at a higher price for a G1000 Eclipse". Maybe that saves the day, but they didn't have the courage to do so. It would have meant backtracking on their avionics religion.

I think Eclipse is making yet another mistake with the Canada. New wing, new fuselage, new engines, new avionics. Basically a new certification program, particularly since they crossed the 6000 lbs line and new rules apply. Further, going up market puts them in more competition with well established players like M2 and P100 and they've left their unique territory of VLJ.

The Canada should have been JUST a Garmin avionics change and keep everything else the same, which should be a relatively easy certification process. The cost and delay for Canada will kill it and perhaps the new company with it.

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