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 Post subject: Re: If I was shopping for a C180
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Ron: Great post. Tommy Rose, a most knowledgeable friend, was lost in air racing, not in a Skywagon. Nick Mardis, (another great 180 type), had an early specimen. His speed mods were radical, to say the least, and he would regularly trounce all other contenders in the Lajitas to Presidio races; back in the days of the Big bend New Years' Eve debauchery.
Thanks... brought back great memories.

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Tommy Rose lost is life in a Quester in the sport class at Reno in 2002. His crew chief was Ken Snider, the guy that makes the Snider Speed Kit, Ken's daughter married Tommy's son and their little girl is named Piper.

Myself, my son, John Huft and our wives went down to the pits to see them prior to the race he lost his life in. Tommy was showing us what he had done to make the Quester "I call it a flying egg" go faster. There is some talk about one of the mods he made causing the tail feathers failure. One can read up on it by Googling it.

What was terrible was both Ken and Tommy's family were flying in to Reno that Friday evening with no knowledge of the accident I went to see Ken and ask what we could do, he replied not a lot. I can't imagine what Ken and the family went thru that night. We were devastated by the accident, Tommy went down right in front of our box seats on the home straight away.
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Your ship has come in!!!

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When does a hangar queen become a highly desirable “barn find?”


When you clean the dust off & polish it.

Back in the late 1980s I bought a 10 year old, 1 owner since new, C185F, 1000 hours total time since new, in hangar since new, all original, with logs, for $43K. Bought it for a skydiving club I was involved with. It flew jumpers hard, left outside, until circa 2005. When I sold it I told the new owner that the paint was put on by Cessna at the factory. He says "How do you know that?" Well, the skydivers certainly did not paint it. They didn't do anything to it. It flew lots of jumpers.

The price for this barn find seems a little obnoxious but maybe somebody wants a museum piece.

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Great post, thanks for sharing your experiences in the 180/185. What a story. I’d love to listen around a campfire to more details someday. That would be a hangar flying CONVERSATION! :cheers:

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Hi Chuck,
Wish I was still in Houston at KDWH. I have had my 1953 180 for 37 years. Like Tom I don't think I could sell it. It would be like putting down your faithful dog (which I had to do a few months ago). I'll PM my email and number, don't hesitate to contact me. I don't know much, but I do know something.

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The late Tommy Rose won the Sun and Fun race in the late nineties at 213 MPH in his 185, he never would tell me how many $$$ he spent to go that fast.


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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that 213mph was measured as an average time on a low altitude triangular course from a standing start. He must have been pushing 230+ MPH to make that work out. He told me that his engine was built by a fellow named Dick DeMars and was estimated to be putting out over 350hp.

I personally saw Tommy and his son (a grown man at the time) take off from a grass strip, climb with a deck angle of greater than 45 degrees to about 300' after about a 600' ground roll, level off and accelerate the length of the runway (about 2700') and then perform a huge immelmann up to at least 1000-1200' and roll out from inverted without giving up even one foot of altitude. He then proceeded to keep pace with a Glasair III by buzzing the runway in formation. Its still one of the most impressive things I've ever seen in aviation.

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Craig, you are correct on the course. Tommy purchased a new factory reman and had it shipped to Dick Demars, told him to make it go fast. Tommy would never tell me how many $$$ it cost to make the 185 go that fast.

Dick Demars was the founder and owner of Firewall Forward at the downtown Fort Collins, CO Airport, now closed for a long time. He sold the shop to one of his employees around the early nineties, and it has had a lot of problems over the years, changing hands several times. Still in business at the Loveland/Fort Collins airport.

Dick did the rebuild on my original factory 520 in the 185, in 1981 and it went 1780 hours with no problems.

Dick lost his son in an aircraft accident many years ago and was never the same after that. In later years he built and hopped up a lot of Lycoming engines for many of the top acrobatic pilots including Patty Wagstaff. He always stopped here in Frisco for lunch with me when hauling a new Lyc he had worked over and was delivering to the west coast in his van. He was as good as it gets when building aircraft engines. He passed a few years ago.

Tommy Rose Jr kept his dads 185 for a number of years after his dad died, I haven't seen him in a number of years.
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When does a hangar queen become a highly desirable “barn find?”


When it is a working airplane that somebody can put 10,000 hours on in the next 10 years and you can't buy one new.

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Gentleman, you can still get a new 185, Just bring your old beater to Beggles Aircraft. In the last 15 or so years I've watched 3 new ones come out of Beggles. They take it down as far as you can go, just pieces laying in a pile. It gets anything new that doesn't measure up. Takes about 6 months to get a new one and around 500K. Two different ones were state owned planes, both states out west. One was a private owner, it is the lightest 185 out there and has a 550, been up in Alaska since it was built. They sure are purdy when new.

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