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 Post subject: Tell me about L-19 Bird Dogs - please
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I've been chatting with a someone that might want to swap his L-19 Bird Dog for my Stearman. I don't know much about them. I know it's got heat so I can fly it in the winter. That's a good thing. They look like a lot of fun for hamburger runs and tooling around the area.

Anybody with any first hand experience with them?

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I heard the short field performance makes my Carbon Cub look like a slouch.

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I don't know values, but the bird dog is a lot of fun.


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Go here:
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http://www.purpleboard.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7617

Kim Pardon - the founder of that forum - has an L-19
http://www.purpleboard.net/forums/member.php?u=1

Her airplane
http://www.purpleboard.net/forums/showp ... ostcount=1

Her story about landing a Citabria with broken elevator cable.... as a student pilot on a solo flight:
http://www.purpleboard.net/forums/showt ... p?p=219626

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The birddog is not an airplane to be taken for granted... No worse than a stock Stearman, but certainly not a Champ... The great springiness bites occasionally. If you are on your toes, no problem. If you're not, big problem...

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Thanks for the replies guys. And for Al Friend, thank you for your service sir!! Great photos too. And how cool to see your old plane at Oshkosh.
We'll see how and if the trade progresses.

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The flying school at Mid-Way, near Waxahachie uses an L-19 to tow. Great plane.

And the visibility outside is tremendous. Second picture is of SWMBO riding in the back seat the L-19 during grandson's first glider solo. That's him in the upper corner. The cockpit is just huge. Easy to get in and out of.


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I heard the short field performance makes my Carbon Cub look like a slouch.

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It's good, but I think the Cub will still beat it - much lighter.

Haven't flown one since I had my 170 many years ago, but it's basically an 0-470 powered, tandem seat C170 if I recall. For whatever reason, I've found the C170 and L-19 to the twitchiest of the Cessna taildraggers (compared to say a 120 or a 180). Solved the 170's waddle by putting 180 gear on it. Perfect.


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The prebuy for the L19 was yesterday. I had a chat with the mechanic last night. Wow, that guy is thorough. In a nut shell, mechanically it's very good and the airframe is straight. There's no corrosion either. Cosmetically, it's challenged but I already knew that. I'll have a written report by Monday with the rest of his recommendations. I'm going to miss my Stearman but having a fun plane that I can fly in the winter will be nice too.


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They aren't the fasted planes in the world but still pretty cool. A friend of mine, also Jay B. next door neighbor has one of the best bird dogs in the country. It was built from military surplus parts in 2003 so it is a 14-year-old bird dog. They had enough parts to build 11 of them I think. From what he told me it shares a lot of parts with the 170. It has 40 degrees of flaps so as long as the wind isn't too bad it can really come in steep and land short. It is extremely roomy. Gets you warbird parking...


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I have all of he original baffle seal pattern C305 / L19

This was from nos seals from the 90 's from a Air Force rebuild..


I currently doing some C5M stuff....

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For anyone considering some winter flying in an L19, I have a set of hydraulic Federal AWB2500 Wheel Skis originally designed for the L-19.

Would love to see someone get more use out of them then I have in the last 2 winters.

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They aren't the fasted planes in the world but still pretty cool. A friend of mine, also Jay B. next door neighbor has one of the best bird dogs in the country. It was built from military surplus parts in 2003 so it is a 14-year-old bird dog. They had enough parts to build 11 of them I think. From what he told me it shares a lot of parts with the 170. It has 40 degrees of flaps so as long as the wind isn't too bad it can really come in steep and land short. It is extremely roomy. Gets you warbird parking...


I'm still learning about these planes so I may be wrong but I think your friend has an L-19 built by Ector Aircraft. That's pretty cool to have a "new" L-19. BTW, those flaps go to 60 degrees so with the plane parked and the flaps down, they're just about perpendicular to the ground.


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